“This ban is a massive win for Texas ranchers, producers, and consumers,” Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller said in a statement following the bill’s passage. “Texans have a God-given right to know what’s on their plate, and for millions of Texans, it better come from a pasture, not a lab. It’s plain cowboy logic that we must safeguard our real, authentic meat industry from synthetic alternatives.”
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Texas joins Indiana, Mississippi, Montana and Nebraska in enacting new laws this year; Alabama and Florida did so last year. In March, the Oklahoma House approved a similar bill that did not advance out of the Senate this session.
This kind of fucking stupidity is why we’re all fucking doomed
That’s the small government party at work
Texans have a God-given right to know what’s on their plate
So y’all would be on board with a law to have meat packaging list everything the animals had been injected with, right?
…he’s right over here mr ICE officer, sir. I cant smell any patriotism on him and he’s threatening the food supply. Probably a member of antifa and peta too.
I think they missed a word. We have a God-given right to know what’s allowed on our plates here in Texas. They won’t feed us, but they’ll sure as shit knock food out from our hands if it affects their bottom line.
Cowboy logic
looks like we’ll have to replace 🤡 with 🤠 now
Is it not the case in the US that cowboy something means that something is a scam/crook/dishonest?
I assumed cowboy means scammer/crook was common in all English speaking countries.
I’m not a native English speaker though I’m good enough at it that I usually understand sayings and proverbs without issue. I’ve never heard of this cowboy <something> however.
You just said the same thing twice, except framed the fact as an innocent question first with your personal assumption as its reference point. I’m going to assume it’s a language thing and not a shitty argument tactic, though…
The short answer is no.
¿Por que no los dos?
Clownboy has the same number of syllables and even phonic adjacency with only minor alveolar adds. ✊🏼 I mean, they’re all really into dressup, after all… Call 'em like ya see 'em. 🤌🏼
Is there any legit reason to be against lab grown meat?
The fact that it’s artificial and has who knows what in it to create the abomination with who knows what health effects it has?
Reduce consumption, production, and our population and keep eating actual fucking meat. We’re going to fuck around and screw ourselves royally because we refused to do the simplest goddamn solutions to the problems we created.
no, other then the drug industry not being able to pump crap into the animals to then be fed to humans.
The most likely reason would be that the people who pay for your vacations and prostitutes own cattle.
Price
It’s an ultra luxury item that can’t be available to the masses (yet) and needs to mature as a product.
There will be problems that we dont know about yet, and IF it destroys the ability to provide local alternative (traditional meat produced as responsible as is possible, which is already a problem)until it can take over, it will only accelerate the razing of the Amazon
Just an opinion, I could very well be wrong but I’m trying to offer an actual answer for the sake of discussion. I’m not personally opposed to culture meat or whatever is going to be called when marketing starts trying to sell it, for the record
I’m a big fan of impossible meats, and as a normal meat eater I would still happily eat impossible if it was available. My wife doesn’t eat meat so we’ve replaced all ground beef recipes with impossible, it makes great chili, meatballs, burgers, etc.
But I’ve been wondering about it because it seems to be an ultra processed food, especially compared to real meat. What are the implications of this? On the whole is it really any better than beef or chicken? Especially locally sourced, high quality meat, not from a mega farm. How much water is used in making lab grown meat? What other chemicals are used? What’s the cost of shipping all those ingredients and finished product across the country? How much power is used in production and manufacturing? What is the difference in health impact of lab grown vs real? How does this all compare to a local beef producer?
I’m not ready to quit impossible, and I’d hate to, but I wonder if it’s really the best decision.
I wonder about all this, too.
There’s an argument for labeling so people can make an informed choice; I would actively seek it put for ethical reasons while som might avoid it.
I can only think of bad reasons for an outright ban.
I think the main question is if production is viable on a commercial scale, the last I heard it wasn’t very likely to be in the foreseeable future.
To cheer Yourselves up, think about how livid Texans are, that they weren’t the first.
cowboy logic
Checks out…
God-given right
Afghanistan-tier cringe.
Bro its a common expression
Nah.
Maybe try going to a civilized state.
Literally “God-given right” is just a common turn of phrase, they use it in blue states too.
Don’t be the guy from the “When the Atheist realizes he’s playing God of War instead of Science of War” meme
These are theocratic fascists. There is no benefit of the doubt for them.
Still no excuse to be cringe
Oh no, wouldn’t want to be seen as cringe while trying to defend my country from fascism 🙄
I mean unironically yes.
It’s called not alienating potiential allies.
I say it everyday as I drink beer out my 10-gallon hat on my horse who is also wearing a hat while riding into the sunset, also wearing a hat
plain cowboy logic
Made me laugh out loud
“Free market” capitalism.
As someone who is morally aware but also morally lazy and eats meat, this gives me hope that cultured meat is actually a threat to the meat industry at this point. Otherwise they’d not be making it illegal.
I 100% would replace all of my meat consumption with cultured meat as long as its reasonably umami/fatty/tastey/varied. Because I know how awful the meat industry is.
Plus it’d even be safer and healthier, especially given the destruction of food safety in this country. Little to zero communicable disease risk.
I unfortunately live in one of these prohibition states though. Just reinforces the idea that I need to get the fuck out of here, this place fucking sucks and the people here can suck shit.
Keep an eye on the Seattle election. If the progressive wins the race there will be a lot of gearing up for a huge influx of people. The people are expected either way but the progressive want to do something to house them and the conservatives want it all to be a surprise.
My family is interested in going international however.
Washington is where I will end up once financially stable again.
You might wanna check out those property & income tax stats, etc. first, though pretty much every state founded by those seeking to evade the long arm of the gov’t back in the day is uniquely renowned. Just gotta find the place that makes the most sense for you. ✊🏼
Absolutely. I’ve done research and already know some locations, been up there half a dozen times easy. I was supposed to already be out of my fucked up state and up there, but life got in the way.
Well then! 🤘🏼 Good on ya! Feel free to ask for pointers re: this Upper Left Coast 🤓
Same.
I will never go Vegan but if Lab Grown Meat becomes an option I’ll do that.
What’s so dumb is that there is more than enough money sloshing around in the industries associated with the SAD to probably buy into cultured meat and profit anyway…
To be fair, the republicans make lots of stupid shit illegal even when it’s not a threat at anything. They love virtue signaling through regulation and love creating laws that are based on conspiracy BS.
They made sharia law illegal in some places, even though there has never been the most remote chance it could come to the USA. They’re panicky fucking snowflakes. All conservatism is driven by fear.
The shit they push is the closest anything in this country has to Sharia. That’s the irony of it all.
Well otherwise Medina ohio would absolutely have sharia law /s
Bathroom bills, chem trail laws. So many dumb examples of people trying to protect themselves from a boogeyman man that conservative media tells you to fear.
All the information I’ve been able to find is that lab-grown meat scaling to anything like the commercial meat industry is a pipe dream. At least in the current state, the industrial requirements make economies of scale impossible.
I think this is more Texas republicans giving their ranch-owning donors a meaningless gesture of fealty.
ETA: here is a link to an article with more information https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/
At least in the current state
I think that’s the key. The cost has been going down over time, it’ll get there eventually.
Its kind of like solar power. That seemed like a pipe dream for a long time as well but it just kept getting cheaper and cheaper.
You’re talking about the cost to grow boutique lab grown meat that is the same as animal meat but grown in a vat. That cost 10,000 dollars a kilogram right now.
Go taste an impossible meat burger someplace and check the price and see its only slightly more expensive than animal meat, even now in the relatively early days. Beyond meat is a 4 billion dollar company. Its a viable business model.
The law is talking about lab-grown animal protein, not vegetable derived meat substitutes like Impossible or Beyond Meat.
fair point
This kinda feels inaccurate somehow.
Admittedly I don’t know much (anything?) about this and in the 5 minutes I’ve spent skimming articles online it’s been difficult to cut through marketing.
However, it seems like there’s people producing and commercially selling specialty synthetic meats right now.
It’s natural that initially, only specialty / expensive products will be commercially viable, and it seems like that’s where we are right now.
I will be very surprised if synthetic lab-grown pork mince is not cheaper than the real stuff in 10 years time.
The barrier here is that hundreds of millions of years of animal evolution has extremely optimized their form, and the nature of growing only the muscle cells de-optimizes the system. Animals have immune systems; lab cells have to be kept in a sterile environment, a significant cost. Animals have digestive systems and can power cell growth and all other functions from common plant materials; lab cells have to be fed pre-digested and carefully proportioned material, a significant cost. Animals have circulatory systems that efficiently perfuse oxygen and nutrients, and remove waste; lab cell containers have to be centrifuged in small containers because the forces required in large containers damage the cells. And so on.
Lab-grown cuts are sold as a luxury good now, and I expect as the price comes down from 1000x animal-grown meat to more like 10x animal-grown meat they will become more widely eaten by rich conspicuous consumers.
The real opportunity for equal-tasting, cheaper, better for the environment “meat” is development of and efficiencies gained by scaling the lines of plant-based imitations like what Impossible and it’s competitors are doing.
To your point, the value I see is if this process can be used to duplicate exotic meats, that could protect some species from over-harvesting and poaching. Of course, that supposes a circumstance where the environment that produces the natural specimen is not a fundamental requirement to make the meat desirable.
The real opportunity for equal-tasting, cheaper, better for the environment “meat” is development of and efficiencies gained by scaling the lines of plant-based imitations like what Impossible and it’s competitors are doing.
I’ve had impossible burger and while they’re OK tasting they’re not equal tasting. Further, after eating one I felt very strange, like my body had some sort of reaction to it.
I don’t think it is yet, but they want laws on the book protecting them before they have money to lobby against them. They don’t want a fair fight. They want to make sure they have the upper hand before the fight even starts.
Eh, I’m not nearly so optimistic. They also got terribly worked up over the word “milk” and labeling plant based burger “burger”.
It’s more about bending over backwards to protect the meat and dairy industry from facing any possible missed revenue opportunity than protecting their actual bottom line, and more importantly about demonstrating their continued utility to the industry.
Kinda like how they’ll work hard to prevent gun regulations that no one is actually proposing because the perception of the possibility of a threat is unacceptable.I’ll side with them on the milk thing. If I want milk in a product/recipe/dish, I very, very clearly do not want the water infused-flours that they are trying to call milk. I limit dairy as much as possible, but it absolutely does not get replaced in a recipe.
Milk has been used for crushed plant products with a milky consistency for millinia; longer than the English language, that’s for sure. You bought a stupid argument sold to you by the dairy industry. The word for milk from a cow is dairy, not specifically milk. Milk of magnesia, poppy milk, and all kinds of other things are called milk, and they’re not dairy substitutes, because that’s not what that word means.
You should always stop and think, and maybe do some research, before making up your mind, especially when it’s people who make money off of it trying to convince you of something.
but it absolutely does not get replaced in a recipe.
I’m sorry, but if you don’t alter the recipe to account for your chosen omission… your cooking must be absolute shite. 🥲
The Forme of Cury, a cookbook published in 1390, mentions almond milk. There’s no “trying”, we’ve been referring to non-dairy milk as milk (Middle English: mylke) for at least 650 years.
Shakespeare mentioned “the milk of human kindness”…
Wait, what were we talking about again?
It’s a freak out because they’ve been called milks for an exceptionally long time. “Milk” has never exclusively meant the product of lactation in English. It’s always referred to something white and more opaque than not.
http://www.godecookery.com/goderec/grec31.htm
As another reply mentioned, we specifically have recipes for almond milk from before modern English.
It’s hardly a new thing, just something gaining popularity.We have specific regulations to prevent consumers from buying the wrong thing within reason. Because most people assume milk means cow milk in the US, that’s what the standard of identity for milk refers to. We don’t need legislation specifically saying that plant milk can’t use the word because you already can’t pickup two jugs labeled “milk” and be unsure if they’re the same thing. Same as goat milk, sheep milk, milk of magnesia, 2% milk, whole milk, skim milk, vitamin D milk, lactose free milk, chocolate milk or strawberry milk.
Hell, “muscle milk” is only technically barely a milk product, absolutely isn’t milk (two milk derived proteins that using prevents a product from being labeled cheese and relegates it to “cheese product”), and would be stupendously unsuitable for cooking. No one complains about it, nor how it contains no muscle at all.I’d find concerns of consumer protection a lot more credible if they had insisted that other animal milks couldn’t be labeled as such, or at least objected to things like “coconut water”, “rose water”, “cactus water”, “birch water”, “maple water”, “water chestnuts” or “watermelon”. Consumers are evidently only confused by plant milk though, which also prevents them from reading the name of the product. Works fine for other animal milks though, and anything that isn’t milky.
Milky way, milk thistle, milk weed, milk tree, dandelion milk… The list goes on. Oh, and don’t forget cream of wheat or tartar, for when your milky substance is also thick.
If you leave then it will always remain shit, kind of the only thing keeping me in the states as a whole. Volunteer for parties who oppose Republicans, whoever has the best chance of winning. Go door to door. Talk with people like real people, change their minds.
I get the motivation to try and stay around and make things better but I’m well past that. I’ve been trying to change minds for a while, I can only assume I’m just bad at it.
I also don’t really owe this place my time and energy. If people in this state want to wallow in shit that’s their prerogative but I’m not getting pulled into that shit if I can avoid it. Though it looks like economically I wont be able to avoid it. Moving is expensive and if I move I’ll need a new job and the job market is terrible right now.
Isn’t that something only the federal government can regulate? “To regulate Commerce … among the several States”? Then again, who cares about the constitution anymore I guess
No. States can ban local sales of products that are legal in other states. A common example is that some states ban guns with certain features.
You will only eat what Good Leader likes to eat!
The GOP wants government so small it can swim up your pee stream and live in your penis.
It’s plain cowboy logic
Now I’m probably not the intended audience, but if you told me you were doing something with ‘cowboy logic’, I think I’d be left with a very different impression than they were intending.
My wife grew up on a ranch. She was very offended when we were in the UK and she realized the term ‘cowboy’ referred to incompetent trades people who consistently did bad jobs. It made me laugh though.
There’s a similar connotation in the US, basically calling someone reckless. Like many words, it can be used with a positive or negative meaning depending on context.
Can’t they just call it something else?
Plant protein? Bean Patty? Vegetarian saturated fat delivery system?
Soylent protien? /j
Cultured Beef/pork/chicken etc is my guess at what we will land on
It’s what the diamond industry did with success
That being said I’m really curious about Lab grown meats for endangered species that are still being hunted/poached to extinction as a means to fill the demand.
Black market/3 letter agency operations flooding the market to destroy the value of actually killing endangered species would be an interesting path that happens
But we suck so it would probably end up fueling a greater demand because profits and greed
I hate having dangerous ideas that could solve problems but are busy likely to backfire
They’re not plant-based. They’re actually synthetically growing meat without having to kill an animal. And calling it “Man Meat” sounds wrong.
Synthetic protein fibers!
