Heyho, recently someone asked for the silliest reasons, but as someone who has suggested linux to many people, I often encounter people having valid reasons for staying with Windows or switching back.
The most boring but valid one is “I have to use Windows for work. It is a requirement (of some software I have to use)”. But there are also other answers that fit. My sister for example tried Linux, but while installing software constantly encountered issues that I helped her solve and eventually switched back because she felt like she had less control than over windows. While I am aware that this is fundamentally wrong, it is valid that some amateur users do not want to invest enough time to get over the initial hurdles of relearning how to install software.
What are the best reasons people have given you for not wanting to try Linux?
Something equivalent to…“I just want to drive the car, not learn about the intricacies of internal combustion”.
Funnily enough, driving a manual car is interacting with intricacies of its drive and the internal combustion
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This is sort of a compilation of things I have heard:
Too many distros to choose from and I tried a couple of the ones that were supposed to be good for new users, but had issues that I found too annoying to ignore. And when I tried to get help online, I got rude responses from Linux users who just seemed to assume that I was a young guy that ought to learn how to code and fix my own problems (I am not young and I will never be a coder) or accused me of wanting to be “spoon fed” the answer (yes I do, and exactly what is wrong with that? When I ask a question in an Apple-related forum people there have no problem just giving me an answer if they have one!). So I turned to AI for answers so that I didn’t get all that attitude, and AI is great when it gives you correct answers but very often it just made shit up, and it’s hard to tell if it’s giving you a correct answer or hallucinating. And even an AI doesn’t know everything, not yet anyway.
I live in a rural area and there are no local sources of help that I’m aware of, and definitely no Linux user groups if those are even still a thing now, but even if there are, if they were using a different distribution than whatever I am trying to run they probably couldn’t help much.
Oh, and I absolutely hate typing stuff at a command prompt, I may do it occasionally to fix some weird issue (assuming someone else tells me what to type) but all the normal stuff should be doable using a GUI app. My Macintosh hardly ever asks me to type anything at the command line and that is how I like it! I am a computer USER, not a programmer, not a coder, not someone who wants to spend a great deal of time “learning” a new operating system. I want to be able to turn the computer on, read my email, browse the web, watch YouTube videos, type and print the occasional letter, save and view/play my photos and music, etc and not have the operating system get in my way, or force me to try to learn how it works internally.
And the final reason is that only Linux users still seem to think that reading a bunch of documentation is a prerequisite to using a computer, I have yet to see one good video that explains to someone that has never used Linux before how to use it (an “explain like I’m 5 - or 10 - and this is my first ever experience with a desktop computer that happens to be running Linux” type video). It is wonderful that so much random documentation exist but hardly anyone is going to just start reading it as if it were an instruction manual on how to build a garden shed, and even if they tried, anyone that doesn’t have a photographic memory will quickly forget everything they’ve read because so much of it makes no sense at all to anyone who is not already very experienced with Linux. Nor will they remember all the options associated with various Linux commands that are typically shown in such documentation.
Like I said, kind of a compilation of things I have read or heard, and I didn’t even get into the gaming stuff because I’m not personally into that and therefore don’t really understand the issues there.
I don’t ask. I just point at Microsofts shit and ask why they haven’t switched already.
You don’t ask, you ask?
I “tried” Linux but never got it usable. I initially decided to run a vm on virtualbox to experiment. I tried Debian, arch, kali, Ubuntu and all ended up having an input lag of 1-2 seconds. Windows the system was fine. But I found my self unable to do basic tasks it was no bad. I don’t mean I didn’t know a command or unwilling to find a foss software equivalent, I mean it took several tries to get the mouse over the X to close a program due to input lag.
OK I then decided to try a docker container with Linux. It got so messed up if I open docker desktop it displays an error that the container was unable to start, if you close the error to edit settings or create a new container it closes docker desktop, no way to fix it.
I was able to get a wsl command line working but all I found it able to do is add 5 steps to everything due to having to start the command, start wsl, log on, elevate permissions etc.
Okay, but have you tried actually installing it? VMs just have worse performance
That may be my only choice. Was trying to avoid it as I don’t want to lose everything on my computer and dual booting would be difficult as I don’t have a huge hard drive.
You don’t need to install it to try it. Many distros will let you try the os while it is booted off of the usb. Ofc this doesn’t give you all the functionality and you won’t be able to save data. But you will at least see the performance is better.
So, am I the only one with terrible performance when booting from USB? Really long input lag, loading times, all that. I figured it wasn’t a big deal for installing once and occasional troubleshooting, but it’s not really representative of the normal experience booting from my ssd.
I’m gonna second the reccomendation to just boot it from a flash drive and try it out. Virtualization takes a ton of performance and on lots of hardware isn’t going to be a nice experience compared to actually running it without virtualization
You don’t have to make the switch, but it’ll give you a much better sense of what you might like, without dealing with lag and input delay :)
My recommendation generally (although the current price of memory makes this more difficult) is to buy a second NVMe drive and install Linux on that. No fussing with a second install on one drive, virtually no risk of Windows thrashing your Linux install or accidentally deleting your Windows data while partitioning, etc. And you can just wipe the drive and install something else if you don’t like it, or use it as storage if you ultimately don’t like Linux.
What you should have done if you’re unwilling to nuke Windows, which you clearly are, was to swap out your boot drive and install Linux directly. Any drive will do for that purpose. You didn’t try Linux, not really. You used some apps that run it.
Premiere, Photoshop, Lightroom, FL Studio. They either don’t work or work terribly on Linux. That one DAW on Linux from Ableton devs that’s decent still has awful UX compared to FL and VST compatibility seemed spotty. I do use Linux daily (Debian flavor) though just not on my main PC but on my laptop, and also on the work laptop for work.
They rely on AutoHotkey.
It’s true, Linux doesn’t have anything close to AHK.
“I really only use the PC for gaming. Mostly, I play Valorant.”
There ya go, you’re not getting that working under Linux even if you are a master tinker. 🤷♂️ He did eventually switch, but not until long after he stopped playing Valorant regularly.
Some reasons are silly, some are incredibly valid. Sometimes it’s just “I don’t want to” and that’s OK too, lol.
The common excuse i hear is “I don’t want to have to code like in MS-DOS.”
People out here think linux is still 40 years ago
“to code”
I am very pro Linux but “I like Windows” is valid enough for me. I might ask why but I am not going to act like that reason is invalid.
If they like Windows 11 I’d distance myself and watch my back while I’m doing it. Windows 10 was OK, 7 was great, 8 was at least not completely shit but the vibe coded mess of 11 can only appeal to serial killers or Hellraisers.
The people that say this probably never upgraded from Windows 10. Nobody who uses Windows 11 likes Windows (except my friend who works in software development, I don’t know what’s going on in his head).
They have to work with Adobe. Or any of the big musical instrument sample libraries.
The same reason everybody gives when dealing with pretty much anything: “I don’t want to learn something new”.
miracast doesn’t work on linux.
GNOME network monitors exists.
They are not ready. They took several years to master Windows to just a minimum of use. They don’t have the money to pay for help if problems occur. They don’t have someone in their network that can help them. They need a specific app to work flawlessly for either job or hobby. There’s a lot of good reasons. But there are getting less of them, while Linux is evolving.
I can give you reasons I have for not installing Linux on one of my laptops:
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Intel graphics support, or the absence of it;
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decent touchscreen support (Windows Ink);
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WSL which I use with NixOS, and it does simplify most of my dev needs;
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unfortunately, Adobe apps which I still heavily rely on (I’d wish I had an alternative),
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PowerPoint (again, I’d wish I had an alternative).
If you want to comment: "oh but have you tried Affinity, Pixie, Only Office, Libre Impress, reveal.js, {enter your fav presentation/photo editing tool} – yes I have, and no, unfortunately, it’s not even close. Also, to be clear, I’ve never paid, and never will for the Windows/Adobe products.
(e) PowerPoint (again, I’d wish I had an alternative).
Oh for ducks’ sakes… just make pdf slides, do you really need animation and/or transitions? They are going to be a proufoudly horrible and disconcertingly awkward mind searing experience anyway
i use neither animations nor transitions. but i do extensively use movies (which have a horrible support in Impress), and i use lots of equations (which you can enable using third-party plugins in Impress, but working with them is very difficult).
i’ve been bitten twice when i’ve been traveling on a conference and had to quickly put up slides in Impress, and ended up not being able to do what i wanted because of all of its limitations. i ended up using reveal.js, but that also has its own drawbacks, e.g., the lack of UI, which i can use to quickly fine-tune arrows, text positions etc.
Intel graphics support, or the absence of it
That’s like one of the best platforms.
Decent touchscreen support
Pretty much everything on Wayland LGTM. If something doesn’t look quite right (like, hover tooltips), it’s probably the fault of the widget toolkit and will also be broken on Windows.
Windows Ink
As in stylus/pen/drawing tablet? kwin has awesome support, other compositors have some basics.
WSL which I use with NixOS
??? you want a container? distrobox can do that, or something like this
Adobe apps
true… slightly outdated repacks work fine in Wine tho
PowerPoint Libre Impress (…) it’s not even close
Wine.
re: Intel
i have not been able to properly set things up on nix. i need oneapi Blender support, SYCL etc. unfortunately, i can’t spend several days trying figure it out on my own.
re: kwin
again, my experience was mixed. some apps sort of worked out of the box, others had issues with detecting pressure sensitivity or palm rejection.
re: wsl
I don’t need a container. when on Nix, i use devshells. what i was saying is that all the linux tools i ever need are easily available on windows.
re: ppt
again, i tried. it sort of works for older versions. but even then once i started importing media, it would crash. when I’m traveling and need to show slides, i simply can’t afford to just debug all night why the video won’t show properly.
for the record: i do have a linux laptop (fw16, with nixos), i just need to keep another windows one for very specific tasks.
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