sidenote, are memes allowed? it doesn’t say anything about them not being allowed, but I don’t see anybody posting any 🤷♀️
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I don’t know if this meme is fully ironic, but kind of strange to think “torrenting” is considered the OG piracy method now.
For me personally, the OG pirating was buying bootleg VHSs/CDs/DVDs. But torrenting/P2P was the first mass scale digital piracy method.
torrenting/P2P was the first mass scale digital piracy method.
IRC? Napster? Edonkey? Emule? Kademlia?
And, hell, before that there was that guy in class who for five bucks would burn you a CD with any game you wanted, which he probably got off usenet…
And of course for music there was the old double deck cassette copier…
(Personally the first software crack I remember was dismantling Monkey Island’s “dial a pirate” wheel so I could photocopy it to share with friends after copying the diskettes…)
I remember those copy protections. Go to page 6, line 42, word 3
Damn, I miss when games came with manuals… the anticipation when reading them while coming back home from the store…
Your list is compromised primarily of P2P networks and a DHT?
Older methods still best methods.
Test Drive 3 had a pretty complicated wheel.
It’s old but it’s not even close to the OG. I believe the OG is newsgroups, and after that was p2p file sharing apps like limewire and napster, and only then did torrenting become a big thing
I’m gonna ignore non internet based methods. Here is the evolution imo
- BBS
- Usenet & warez websites
- Server client setups (Hotline etc)
- P2P without resuming (Napster etc)
- P2P W/resume & multiple sources (Kazaa, LimeWire etc)
- Torrents
- Streaming torrents
- Usenet
Edit: I’m seeing IRC a lot, not sure where it fits in this list. Assume it’s around no 2.
Great list! And according to your list I’m right. BBSes aren’t internet, and usenet is a synonym for newsgroups
This is the correct list, having lived through it. BBS services in the mid-1980s were the start of Razor1911, Paradox and other distro and cracker groups. I’d edit 2 to include FTP which is what BBS evolved into with secret dropsites for new releases.
IRC is 2.5 on this list. You can group that alongside the pre-web internet services, like AOL which had slightly IRC-like chat rooms dedicated to serving warez and videos in the same way (requesting a list from a chatbot, and then requesting sequential files).
Some light history here, though like all warez-related scholarship, there’s a ton missing that you had to have seen to know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene
https://archive.org/details/b904a8eb-9c98-4bb1-bf25-3cb9d075b157/
Copying cassettes
Those were the times when my ISP, which was owned 100% by the city, had it’s own newsgroups server full of warez lol
Original method wasn’t FTP?
Yeah, I imagine to younger folks it feels like what usenet felt like to me when I was their age. Mystical land of unknown loot, if you know how to get there
I’ve watched so much free anime by being bisexual
I miss eMule. 😢
Last I checked it still works.
…
If you’re not in a hurry, that is.
Let them be the fodder for the authorities
It’s the other way around, torrents are monitored, downloads on webpages are not (unless they use P2P streaming)
Maybe for public trackers, I’ve never had an issue on private trackers. But pirate streaming sites are taken down fairly frequently
the magic word here is “HTTPS”. Prior to encrypted downloads being the norm, it was trivial for your ISP (and presumably, the feds) to see what sites you were visiting and what you downloaded from them. With HTTPS, at best it’s possible to know what site you’re communicating with and how much data you’ve sent to and received from them, but not what the data actually is. (Unless of course the site’s logs get seized, which could contain records of which files were requested by which IP addresses)
The big difference is that with torrents you also upload data to other peers, which is what fucks you copyright-wise.
Also remember kids, if you’re not in the US throw those DMCA claims in the trash
If you’re in the EU, downloading without uploading is also illegal, just hard to track for the copyright firms.
Hey now, I’m younger than that and I know how to do both things lol
But do you know about slsk?
Heard of it but didn’t use it. Tbf I wasn’t really interested in pirating music as much as other media
To each their own, but for anyone else reading, try Nicotine+ on desktop, or Seeker on Android (it’s on the izzydroid repo)
Nicotine+ is dope
2001 baby here with a home ubuntu server running Plex + Jellyfin, *arr suite, qbittorrent and slskd in docker, and a few TB on my favourite private trackers. I’m an outlier for sure, I don’t know anyone else my age that even knows what 1337x is
They can’t even eat Hot Chip? 🤯
They can’t even drink Driz Izzle.
in this economy?
Yeah not me, I keep on saying I use torrents and privatw trackers for the better quality. But really i just find it more fun.
i know I posted the meme and all, but what’s the benefit of private trackers? is it like a search bar where you’ll find niecher stuff or is it just that it downloads quicker?
i don’t think I’ve ever had a time where 1337 and standard qbittorrent won’t workI have torrented off and on for about 18 years and only recently got invited to a private tracker, it seems like the biggest thing is that your ISP (and sites like I know what you downloaded) won’t see them because the groups that watch torrents don’t have access.
Whats 1337? Never heard of it.
I mainly torrent movies and a bit of tv. For me private trackers have by far the biggest library of high quality 4k encodes, which is what i’m after personally. And at decent speeds, public trackers often don’t have enough seeders for higher quality encodes. There is also the community ascpect which is pretty nice, and lower risk of malware or copyright trolls although I still use a vpn anyway.
Also private trackers for movies are super easy to join. I woulf recommend FNP since I dont think you need any prior experience with private trackers, you just need to send them an email. Also they have global freeleech until chistmas!
Wait, is torrenting actually dying out?
It’s still somewhat big in certain regions, even younger people torrent (although streaming piracy is more popular).
Not sure of statistics. But imo judging by the picture of media as of today, torrenting is either growing or changing into usenet.
i kid you not my roommate watched a movie someone posted on Twitter
Nah, not until all of the GenXers and Xennials die out at least
It’s wrong, but also, it’s right a surprisingly good amount of the time.
actually as a millenial i left the torrenting world when i graduated and got a job back in 2015. Now when i want to return, I realized I am old and don’t know the best places to get good torrents. I searched on one of the websites of tpb last year and nothing came up.
I am rusty and don’t have much time but i am starting to feel the bullshit by streaming companies now and i need to get back on the horse.
iptorrents, it’s a bit of a scummy private tracker but you can donate a few bucks to get in and they have pretty much everything. It’s a good first in for private trackers. Keep in mind with private trackers, you typically need to seed whatever you download for at least 14 days.
https://fmhy.net/ all you need right here!
thanks for the deets I have some thing to do for christmas
The best site right now (in my lazy opinion) is
qbittorrent is the best client these days. uTorrent went and did some bad stuff that I can’t remember off the top of my head.
You should really get a VPN to keep your isp from bothering you about it. I use Private Internet Access (PIA) because it’s relatively cheap, has port forwarding, and doesn’t store any user data.
That’s the basics. Happy sailing matey. Remember to seed to a ratio of at least 2!
thanks… I guess santa can put me on the naughty list early this christmas cause I got the presents already!
There are quite a few apps on Linux that will let you dl music from streaming sites and keep it if you have a subscription. My personal favourite is qobuz-dl. I have pretty much all of my favourite movies still from way-back-when but usually don’t downloading new ones as 1) streamio with torrentio is so effective and 2) they don’t make 'em like they used to.
Qbittorrent and https://wiki.dbzer0.com/piracy/megathread/
thanks for the deets I know what i will do for christmas!
TBH I was in the same boat, and finally went usenet when they rised the prices for all that streaming shit across the board, once again. Took me one afternoon to figure out.
I’d like to torrent, it’s morally more piratey, as in “if I pirate already, then it should be totally free”, but the usenet experience just is so much cleaner. And now I still pay, but like 30ish € per year and have no headache anymore and basically all the streaming services at my fingertips.
Wtf is torrent
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its just advertising places “to rent”, like craigslist, but for films. Sometimes the rent is free
I think its means like a whole bunch of water all at once depending on context
The three answers say literally completely different things. Wtf? Lmao
be me
born in 2005
used to use steam unlocked
torrent
is bisexual
the meme is partly correct i guess :3
TIL those born in 2005 are 20 now.
Well, not “learned,” but you know what I mean. I feel old :(
I feel you, my Steam account turned 20 this month!
:3
They’ll never know the magic (read: virus minefield) that was WinMX, Kazaa, Limewire, etc.
Ah limewhire where you went to download ripped halo 3 roms and ended up with a few GB of amature porn
Ah, and there I was, trying to download horse porn and ending up with Halo 3 😅
my favorite was the Madonna song that was just Madonna saying “What the fuck do you think you’re doing?” over and over again for three minutes, and then someone made a dance remix of it and uploaded it again
I pulled down some random ass pop song, and it ended up being some guy noodling on a keyboard playing a half assed version of the cantina song from Star Wars. I set it to my phone’s ringtone. No idea when that mp3 was long, it was a LONG time ago
i did not have sexual relations with that woman
I downloaded Rammstein’s Amerika but it was like just one specific verse and chorus repeated. It was really weird. It took my a while to notice because I didn’t know German. My best guess is someone took a free sample of the song from somewhere and edited it so it was longer by repeating it a couple times.
Also, a few of the Nightwish songs I downloaded had an announcer in the middle of the bridge say something like “You are listening to Nightwish’s new song Blah on the album Once.” Maybe it said something about being able to buy it on iTunes. That one was interesting because it definitely seemed legit. I guess some artists released stuff like that knowing people would steal regardless so they wanted a version with instructions to buy it if you liked it. To this day when I’m listening to those songs I hear the voice in my head when the song gets to those parts.
I used to have a couple of songs where there was a skip because of an error in the CD rip, now when I listen to the song and the skip is missing I find it jarring
Same! Yes! I specifically remember one my (then) girlfriend (now wife) made like that. She made me a mix of some songs. I put them on my mp3 player so they had that slip in them on that too. Even on my first smart phone too back before I streamed music.
I downloaded an Elvis song with a mispelled song title, and for a while I would refer to it as “Quspicious Minds” and sing along
Quspicious Minds sounds like a documentary on the Qanon movement
They can’t go on together, with Quspicious minds…
Or the even worse era of trolling IRC chats looking for DCC bots and hoping your feeble attempts at security or obfuscation will hold. Ah, the good ol days.
xdcc msg MoViEgOdz! get pack
*starts downloading hardcore goat sex*
"Ah shit, I meant 127”
xdcc msg MoViEgOdz! cancel 128
*goat sex downloads even faster*
“…well, at least it’ll be educational”Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
Warez websites with 9/10 links broken ftw
Just do it now. Only like 8 other people are using DCC, so it’s obfuscation in itself
Grab list, found what you wanted… As 49 separate downloads, on one busy bot.
While on dialup.
Admittedly, the small file chunks made sense on dialup, but man did it suck when you’d end up with 102 of 110 files and then they’d vanish.
Oh definitely, but wow did it suck when they went offline… You just keep those parts around unless you can find another bot to start and complete a whole other download of different sized split rars…
I’ve never heard of this before. I was on IRC in the oughts, probably a bit late to see it happening. Neat.
By that point there were other options that were more popular, yeah. Xdcc as a script for ircii came out around 1995ish, maybe a bit earlier. Early 2000s would be around when mirc scripts had xdcc bots built in, so well after they first became common.
At that point you also had Napster, kazaa, limewire, even the first bittorrent client (BitTorrent).
Soulseek was the best
I was born after 2000, and use soulseek to this day.
Was
Is.* Nicotine+ is the client to make it even better.
*is
I reinstalled Windows like every other week 😅
Can I finger your plastron?
I hear if you torrent you get a nastygram from your ISP. Meanwhile, I hear if you find a site that offers to stream it for free, nothing bad happens. Also I hear that Yandex gives better results for such sites than Google or DDG/Bing.
If you’re in Canada those nastygrams are merely scare tactics, generally.
If only I were in Canada 😭 so free it hurts here in the US
And i live in a country that doesnt give a shit about piracy ,:)
I hear rumors being eastern european negates the nastygram, but that’s just a rumour.
Ukrainian here, pretty eastern European. ISP doesn’t make enough money to care.
Lithuanian ISPs also really don’t care the worst that happened is the government shutdown a film site but it is back online.
I hear VPNs exist. Though that could be a rumour.
it’s slopsay
For now they still do…
Depends what you torrent. Torrenting exposes your IP to all the other peers.
