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        22 days ago

        Murdering your own people = “flawed”? He was a monster. Him helping to defeat a different monster doesn’t change that.

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            22 days ago

            What part of this book which both confirms and agrees there were many politically motivated murders/imprisonments (even if it argues they were fewer than other sources claim) makes Stalin not a monster? It’s arguing over the scale of the bad shit he did, not whether he did it or not. Holy shit.

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              22 days ago

              Stalin is not a monster because monsters aren’t real.

              It’s arguing over the scale of the bad shit he did, not whether he did it or not.

              The scale of bad shit he did you got from lifelong exposure to anti-communist propaganda. This misinformation isn’t neutral. It has a clear goal, and billions of dollars behind it over the last 100+ years, because the capitalist class fears nothing more than communism, because to date it’s been the only successful alternative to capitalism.

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                22 days ago

                Your own source said he murdered a ton of people. That’s a bad person, regardless of the economic system the country they lead used. Why is that such a hard thing to grasp?

                If you want to promote communism, don’t use a goddamn mass murderer to market it.

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                  21 days ago

                  Your own source said he murdered a ton of people.

                  I didn’t provide any sources.

                  If you want to promote communism, don’t use a goddamn mass murderer to market it.

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            21 days ago

            Who here was glorifying Queen Victoria? Not me.

            But a dozen of you are tripping over yourself to defend Stalin. For no reason. Seems you’re the misogynists here. You love Stalin despite him falling short of a woman’s (who you hate) accomplishments.

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              21 days ago

              Being born into royalty and, by pure happenstance, becoming empress of the largest empire in history at its zenith is no accomplishment.

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                21 days ago

                So you’re changing your own argument, now? It’s more impressive that Stalin worked his way up the ladder before killing all those people? That’s what you admire?

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                  21 days ago

                  You’re very bad at this, and you’re convincing no one. We know what Stalin actually did & didn’t do, because we’ve actually investigated. We grew up under exactly the same propaganda as you, but all you’ve got is that unexamined propaganda, which we’ve examined and found wanting.

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      It’s incredible to me you’re being downvoted. He ordered the execution of thousands of political opponents, and put millions into forced labor camps. These people are as brainwashed as MAGAts, it’s shameful that leftists can become this stupid.

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        Um… How exactly is the execution of “thousands” of Nazis and monarchists and forcing them to shovel snow something bad that only “brainwashed” people would defend? I think you are confused here

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          Oh yeah all 2-3 million people involved in Dekulakization were Nazis or monarchists.

          They weren’t. They were peasants and regular people like you and me.

          You’re delusional, and anyone here who thinks like you is also delusional. You believe that because the US has a capitalist dictator that the solution is a Communist dictator, but it’s not.

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            Kulaks were a class of bourgeois farmers that employed slave-like labor. Dekulakization was the process of ending that slave-like mode of production. I don’t imagine you refer to the American Civil War as “Lincoln murdering millions of his own people,” do you? Stalin was elected, and did not have absolute power. The socialist system in the USSR required collective decision making, and could not have been run or dominated by a single person, no matter how influential said person may be.