No, it’s really not. Primarily, because I’m using LineageOS with absolutely no Google services at all installed.
Living the good life over here:
How much of a risk is GraphenOS to install? I really don’t wanna brick my phone.
I had the same concern so I actually just bought a used newer pixel and started a fresh install of Graphene. It took me several weeks to learn how it works and migrate my accounts and switch to FOSS apps wherever I could.
very low on id say pixel 7 and up its a web installer so all you need is to back up all inlmportant files photos videos ids etc and plug your phone into a computer or another phone running graphene os and follow the guide
What phone do you have?
Pixel 6, I believe.
That can run Graphene.
Only for Google Pixel phones. The install process is right there. You just need a chromium-based browser (chrome, edge, vivaldi, opera, brave, etc.), an Unlocked Pixel, and the usb cable.
Also, back up your stuff. Flash Unlocking your phone to install a different OS erases everything on it (for security reasons).
Google stopped releasing sources . Graphene is likely dead
Graphene isn’t dead. They just have slowed down a bit. They’ve already released their first Alpha for 16
Is this also true about ChromeOS?
“Not my messages and calls,” laughs in iPhones
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I went outside my comfort zone and installed Lineage on my old Pixel, only to find out I couldn’t get wi-fi calling, so I reverted to my Google OS. Oh no. Any options other than Lineage or a new phone? This 6 year old phone works great except for the lack of updates, and except for the upcoming Gemini updates :( I’m struggling.
Edit: Ubuntu Touch, anybody?
Edit 2: Looks like VoLTE isn’t supported on Ubuntu, either. Any idea why?
Graphene?
I believe I’m too old with my 3a. I’ve been considering getting a used 5, 6, 7, or 8 off ebay but I worry that support will run out. Any idea if that’s true?
No they will support these device as long as Google does.
That’s what I expected, but had hoped there would be additional legacy support. Google previously only supported Pixels for 3 years, right? They may be more competitive with Apple now, but that’s still only 6-7 years. In that case, if I buy an old Pixel on ebay it’s not likely to have much of a run left.
My issues with Lineage are related, although they obviously try to give legacy support (perhaps without the ability to make full security updates), but we still run into functionality issues like my lack of wi-fi calling. I don’t think that is so much about the age of the phone as it is due to tech/frequency updates that are non-compatible with some older devices, and proprietary opaqueness in the Google code. I wish Lineage would at least list this issue on their wiki, phone by phone, as that would make it easier for me to decide on my next step.
I hear a tiny dev team made some VoLTE progress in the Linux world, but I am way over my head in trying to understand exactly what’s going on. I think they’ve got an Ubuntu Touch device working with VoLTE for the first time? Does it work in the US? Does it have Wi-fi calling? I have many questions but need to keep reading. (I know VoLTE is different from VoWiFi, but I see them used interchangeably at times.)
VoLTE isn’t yet supported in Linux because no one has yet completed writing an open source implementation. Unfortunately, phone manufacturers, chip manufacturers, and cell carriers all hold these cards very close to their chests, so drivers have to be written from scratch by reverse engineering the protocols, which are encrypted on top of being completely nebulous. Support is coming, eventually, but it takes an extraordinary amount of time and effort to do this, which nobody has time to do.
GrapheneOS is the way to go with a Pixel phone. Wifi calling works just fine on my Pixel 8. As does VoLTE.
I don’t believe they support the 3a. I’m really vintage.
Any idea how long support will last for the 8? I feel a little burned by the lack of support for the 3a, though I understand that a) 6 years for a phone is a good run in this wasteful world, and b) wifi calling on the 3a hasn’t been dropped by choice, but is actually a complicated issue that small #s of devs are still working on.
Any idea how long support will last for the 8?
Google Pixel 8 October 2030 7 years
Great link, thank you. I’m so used to desperately trying to make this old 3a work that I didn’t realize they’d listed out support expectations for more recent models.
I believe the Pixel 9a is also available. You might snag that one instead of an 8a just to give yourself another year of support.
Techbros don’t understand or care about consent
They got that idea “ask for forgiveness not permission” pushed to them by capitalist extremists for too long. I despise that concept in any context, whether justifying rape or violating privacy or anything else. But I even see it in TV shows these days portrayed as normal. Gross 🤮
No-one in big business does.
Just grab em by the dongle
They know what it is. But they think it’s optional, because us plebs don’t deserve a choice. They think they run our world because we use their platforms.
So a system-wide wiretap?
If you don’t want this stuff on your phone, lemme point you to:
GrapheneOS (Pixels only, has Most Security at Tinfoil Hat level while also providing compatibility for Google Play (optional, sandboxed) and SafetyNet)
CalyxOS (Pixels, Some Moto G 5G, Fairphone 5, 4, SHIFTphone 8, less Security than GrapheneOS but has Security)
LineageOS (Many older devices, runs unlocked boot so least Security but still can run sans google)
If we are on an old pixel (eg pixel 4) is it more or less secure to switch to graphene? Neither Google nor graphene are doing updates for that model anymore
I’ve thought of getting an 8 to put graphene on but the recent news from the project about Google making it harder on them has me pausing since I don’t fully understand what is affected.
I don’t want Gemeni anywhere near my messages and phone content.
You can put graphene on a 4. It won’t be supported but will be more secure. Still not recommended by me or grapheneos. They say that the reason they support pixels is due to the security, not the aosp support, and that they will continue to develop grapheneos. Android 16 is the first new build with the changes and grapheneos is testing it now iirc. I would personally recommend seeing how 16 goes (possibly post after the update hits stable asking for user feedback) and decide based on that. You should probably get something new as the complete lack of security updates is quite bad but that could help you decide whether to go with graphene. Personally, I am on grapheneos and am not worried about it.
You should not be worried according to GrapheneOS’s team.
Yup. They’re going to continue support as promised.
…How about a 3?
Edit: Nevermind, just checked. I swear this is still a great phone.
I was considering a switch but due to recent policy changes at Google, I’m now concerned about long-term (or even short-term) support for GrapheneOS and other custom ROMs:
There’s a lineagoOS fork that comes prepackages with microG as well, helping to keep google services style stuff working (maps links etc) without using any actual google services. It’s my daily driver, would recommend!
YMMV - some stuff still flat out doesn’t work if it’s too reliant on google services. Graphene is definitely better in that regard, if you have a pixel.
I don’t know anything about tech. I don’t want to contribute anything to AI, but I’m afraid I’m going to brick my pixel if I install any of this. Here’s a question. If I let them steal my info, does that hurt other people, or just me?
Depends. Do you want the possibility of an AI model being able to fork over some private details in your convos? The potential for someone that doesn’t like what you believe in to subpoena google for this data?
As for bricking, it won’t, and the whole process is on the website, using a chrome-based browser and usb cable (it detects which pixel you have and does all the hard stuff) but you do have to back up your stuff as it will erase when it gets graphened.
I believe most people who care about privacy don’t trust Gemini or Google in general. So it’s not an issue if you already not using Gemini app. It can be uninstalled (at least for now) even without going alternative ROM way
There’s no option to uninstall on my neighbor’s phone.
Just disable Gemini completely.
This makes me so happy I’m using Graphine OS. Also the entire idea that there “not storing my history” I don’t trust them. They have already been sued multiple times over keeping ingogneto data.
Graphene, Lineage, Calayx OS are all there. Pick one and never worry about this no control over your phone thing. Personally only used graphene OS but I heard the others are similar.
Alright, is there some super-populated center for enthusiast nerds who make Androids less 1984 and shit? Like, the fdroid sub or something? I’m still on the ol’ Tim Cooker but when this thing croaks I’m switching teams. I don’t need Google getting sloppy seconds, though.
I mean, feels like everyone has a phone these days. Surely some niche sect of Internet nerds has a cutting edge solution for this shit.
Is it just GrapheneOS with FDroid apps? What about Google Play Store apps, can I use those without getting fucked? Can I retain nearly every stock feature on an Android without selling my soul to Google? Which Android phone should I buy if I want things to run smoothly with the modifications I need to make? (Are those new touch flip-phones on the menu? Are they more durable now? I fantasize about DS emulation, and slapping my phone together to hang up on people. I just remember hearing all about the highly scratch-able screens and hinge problems.)
Random aside, I switched from Android to iOS a year ago. I miss Android already.
The UI is more convoluted an clunky than iOS from years ago, just as uncustomizable, and performs shockly bad on heavy webpages on a brand new 16+. It’s got no freaking RAM, no sd card slot. Some free FOSS apps are nonexistant or paid only.
Security and OOTB privacy is better and app support is generally better, but that’s about it? I’d probably keep an iPhone around to bank on when I eventually switch…
Weird, I have the opposite experience. After an S3 Mini and a Xiaomi Redmi 3 Pro, my gf let me try her iPhone 8 for a bit and I was amazed by how smooth it was running. I’ve bought a 11 Pro in early 2020 and have been using it ever since. Still works like on the day I’ve bought it, no slowdowns, smooth as hell. I did do a battery swap after the fourth year though.
I wouldn’t mind trying a Pixel with GrapheneOS though. But all Pixels are so large compared to the iPhone Pro lineup.
My last Android phone was a Razer Phone 2, SD845 circa 2018. Basically stock Android 9.
And it was smooth as butter. It had a 120hz screen while my iPhone 16 is stuck at 60, and I can feel it. And it flew through some heavy web apps I use while the iPhone chugs and jumps around, even though the new SoC should objectively blow away even modern Android devices.
It wasn’t always this way; iOS used to be (subjectively) so much faster that it’s not even funny, at least back when I had an iPhone 6S(?). Maybe there was an inflection point? Or maybe it’s only the case with “close to stock” Android stuff that isn’t loaded with bloat.
Maybe it’s the regular vs Pro lineup. I never had any experience with the regular lineup. I’ve bought my wife a 14 Pro, and the experience there is the same as on mine.
Pro is 120hz.
But they are expensive as heck. I only got the 16 Plus because its a carrier loss leader, heh.
And wouldn’t fix some of my other quibbles with iOS’s inflexibility. My ancient jailbroken iPhone 4 was more customizable than now, and Apple is still slowly, poorly implementing features I had a decade ago. It’s mind boggling, and jailbreaking isn’t a good option anymore.
GrapheneOS puts Play Services in a sandbox so it’s no longer rooted. You can restrict what parts of your filesystem each app has access to very strictly.
For now people still send me emails on Gmail, so I still have Gmail installed, but very limited permissions.
It’s a huge improvement.
You can also start sessions that entirely shut down Play Services so you’re living entirely with FOSS products.
I’m not quite there yet because I still use maps and drive and photos. Gonna figure out replacements, unfortunately nobody else has the traffic and live rerouting that Google maps does, even if you are willing to pay.
If you’ve got a pixel, highly recommend. If you have a different relatively recent phone check out lineage or e/os.
Thank you. I could kiss you like a mother.
🫂
Mama Bear hug.
What was the recent chatter about Google making it harder to update GrapheneOS? Did that develop into anything or was it just temporary?
And how does this effect those of us that have completely disabled Gemini Assistant?
Seems like you’d fall under the “even if you say no” category
It doesn’t seem that way. After reading through the article a couple of times, it looks like the “no” they are referring to is regarding data recording of one’s actual use of the assistant. And since I don’t use the assistant and have completely disabled it, the shouldn’t be any data to record.
Though I do have to admit that I may be completely off base in my interpretation.
