Morons.

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      'member when we thought “grab em by the pussy” would definitely do the trick and open some eyes? I… Yeah I totally thought that at the time…

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      Not really an excuse but it’s pretty common to be politically naive when you’re young. When Obama was first elected I just figured we’d immediately solve climate change and all get free healthcare and community college. I didn’t really understand how the political system worked.

      I imagine many of these people thought the same way. And they may have been too young to really follow things during Trump 1.

      So yeah… I wish they had been more savvy but we all gotta learn somehow. I’m willing to forgive if they end up on the right side after this.

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      I mean it’s not like there was a concrete example of him promising to drain the swamp and shown concrete proof of his results before, how could they have known…

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    Tired of hearing “Demographic Group X did Y” when these analyses fall apart at the state line.

    There’s no chromosome that explains your vote.

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    I’m thinking if they saw Trump’s record and still voted for him, this isn’t gonna be the first time they get duped.

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      IMHO, people hyper fixated on the first couple years of Trump 1 where the economy was ok, he had experienced government officials putting up guardrails, and he coasting on what past administrations put in place.

      They thought Trump’s was blowing bow air and they thought they were going to get 2017 again.

      They are not getting 2017.

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          I wouldn’t be surprised if, given the rich disinformation landscape in America, covid was destined to be an utter shit show in the USA.

          Trump sure as shit didn’t help.

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    My peers are not your rich country club conservatives. They are scrappy guys who liked Trump because he wasn’t polished or predictable. To them, he was a rebel outsider who would fight “the swamp” with all he had. I remember heated lunchroom debates where they’d argue about whether or not he could truly upend our system and its backers.

    The danger of neoliberals is they took money from trump and many just like him, and in return turned the Dem party into a pile of dog shit that didn’t actually help anyone that wasn’t wealthy

    That inevitably ends with the neoliberals middlemen getting cut out, and depressing Dem turnout so much Republicans win.

    The voting members of the DNC learned their lesson, they elected a chair with a proven track record of fair primaries and not standing in the way of the party’s own voters.

    That’s why billionaire owned media keeps telling Dem voters to give up on the DNC.

    The billionaires are scared of what happens when Dem voters get to pick their own politicians

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      That’s why billionaire owned media keeps telling Dem voters to give up on the DNC.

      You know what the DNC could do that would undermine this message?

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    This was all public knowledge before the election.

    But I guess you didn’t hear about that on TikTok and YouTube shorts.

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      Well, depends on the almighty algorithm overlords. People were making Project 2025 PSAs left and right, and I definitely saw some YT shorts talking about the evil shit GOP and Trump would do. Cause I’m blue and YT knows (or at least thinks ) I want to see and agree with that stuff. A Gen-Z who watched Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate all day isn’t gonna get that. I hate and have never used TikTok, but we can make a similar assumption for them. Anyway, I’m more pissed at my friends who sat on their ass and didn’t vote (even after I told them that’s upsetting), who have recently said “I wish I voted.”

      I guess we need to learn how to convince those around us to give a fuck. I wish I was more charasmatic…

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    I mean…they were 19, at the oldest, when the first Trump term began. Now they’re between 13 and 28. So I understand being ignorant of what came before.

    But seriously…if you don’t know what came before, don’t vote.

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      I’m pretty sure I had learned about 1930s-40s Germany before I was old enough to vote.

      Our public education system has been purposely broken. The fascists have sabotaged our own future and ability to innovate and compete on the world stage in any way… But hey, they don’t know about Nazis anymore, so it’s a lot easier for them to take power. That’s what matters.

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    This is an opportunity for organizers. Trump is teaching them a valuable lesson and we should be there to help them take it further.

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    My peers are not your rich country club conservatives. They are scrappy guys who liked Trump because he wasn’t polished or predictable. To them, he was a rebel outsider who would fight “the swamp” with all he had. I remember heated lunchroom debates where they’d argue about whether or not he could truly upend our system and its backers.

    What a bunch of fucking losers.

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      “Predictable” is quite literally the one quality you want the leader of the biggest military on the planet to have.

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      It is weird because I have a similar scenario, but they voted for Trump because they’re all playing entirely within framed, false choices.

      Like, one coworker voted full R because that’s what they’d always done like their parents and community always had and that was that. Always had, always will. Policy wasn’t even on the board.

      Another went for Trump because they genuine want to see government fail, even as a government worker, because they think the Federal Government is the Evil, and the States are the shining beacon of Freedom.

      Platitudes and messaging strategies meant nothing to them. Or at least it didn’t in 2016 or 2020. I don’t know how they went 2024 since I’d left that job.

      But since then every job site I go onto with active working class labor, its just MAGA hats and bumper stickers… and/or immigrant workers. Usually they’re being set against each other by company owners who enjoy both groups lacking unions and legal protections.

      The system that needs upending is the private company boss, not the government. The bosses are the ‘backers’ that need upending. Government is the last vestige where the public actually has a say.

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      It’s funny because trump is literally about as much as “the swamp” as you could be. Born with a golden spoon, socialized with only the elites, and personally fucked over working class people literally every chance he has.