Stripped down to the bare essentials, those are similar. But surely you realize, that the sheer amount of content that was added over the years, and the enormous amount of mods, and the entire community, aren’t remotely comparable, right?

This is less of a Photoshop for drawing vs Krita and more of a Photoshop for image editing vs GIMP situation, and even that comparison is kind of unfair to GIMP.

It isn’t even that. He is a horrible monster, but what makes him so appealing to me is that he is completely delusional about it. With his new men he genuinely sees himself as the saviour of humanity, despite the fact that his plan for his new men is to destroy and replace humanity. It’s almost like a tragedy, which I find very appealing.

That’s why heretic books like the Fabius Bile or Nightlords trilogy are great. Even authors who forget they should be writing villains on the loyalist side can remember that the traitors are evil. However, at least for those two trilogies, their authors also write them as likeable characters somehow. I would hardly call them anti-heroes, but they are understandable in their own messed up ways. It’s how I feel the loyalists should have been written.

On your point about it being “easy” to install containers via the app interface, are there any guidelines for how to configure them when all you’ve got for reference is a Docker Compose file?

A lot of stuff matches 1:1, but there are often oddities here and there, and I’m still not entirely sure of the correct way to configure storage. Some guides say to create datasets in the pool and then configure some to use the “apps” preset, while others should use “generic.” Others say to just use the automatic permissions checkbox, and others still tell you to check the “Use ACL” box. When I haven’t found a guide, I just created the datasets manually, set them to “apps,” and so far it has worked.

And when I want to use Docker containers normally, I’ve been advised against it. There used to be something called “jails,” but that was deprecated with the new Containers tab in the GUI. Apparently, that’s being dropped again for some reason, but the jails are still deprecated, and any time I search for how to use Docker Compose, I get so much conflicting info. Some say to just run docker compose as you would on a regular server via the command line, while others say that could break the system and tell me to just use VMs instead, and it’s all a mess.

The SMART stuff I mentioned was definitely my lesser worry, just a mild annoyance that tipped me over to consider switching, but the apps feel like I’m learning a whole new abstraction layer instead of just writing a Docker Compose file with input fields. Maybe that’s just a me problem though and I’m simply refusing to adapt, I am really not sure.

Huh, sound pretty simple overall. I was mostly afraid I was missing some key features that would be painful to set up and were needed for a NAS, but apart from the filesystem and SMART tools, this isn’t much less setup than I had to do with TrueNAS. Thanks!

Then it’s probably not a good idea to be on Lemmy. It’s written in Rust, which is a programming language funded by a lot of unapologetically evil big tech companies, like Microsoft and Google. It was also initially created by Mozilla, a company with heavy associations with Google and which has even become quite pro-AI.

I’d say using tools funded by evil counts as “loosely associated”.

I thought these were still common? Any time I’m near a church they do their thing every 15 minutes, banging one bell 1-4 times and then if it’s 4 they bang another 1-12 times, signaling the time.

Well, not entirely, they’re usually quiet during the night, but you get my point.

Didn’t know people can’t understand those anymore.

I’m still on Discord because everyone else is there. I’ve moved my direct social connections, so most of the things I’d use Discord dms for on a daily basis, over to dedicated direct messaging services, but communities are so much harder to move over. You can’t shuffle between a hundred and a thousand people over to another platform unless somehow most of the groups they’re in move over at once.

And to what? Matrix communities are not as convenient, Revolt’s voice chats are not as good and screen sharing wasn’t a thing at all last I checked and it doesn’t have a mobile client, and TeamSpeak is primarily voice-based.

may require command line and config files to do it

I’m comfortable enough with those, that shouldn’t be an issue then. Thanks for the info!

Oh I didn’t even consider the fact that I might need to pass through the iGPU. Thanks for pointing that out, will double check. Although it’d be very odd if TrueNAS struggled to do that, considering how many people use it and how many of those have some kind of self-hosted streaming service. But of course, always best to check anyways!

Very helpful, thank you! The CPU choice has had to be remade anyways as I have mentioned in other places in this thread.

Looking at the 5750GE it seems to be OEM-only, so I’m not sure where to reputably get my hands on that.

The 5700G looks very intriguing, it’s only barely more expensive compared to the last price of the 4650G I saw. If I find nothing else, I’ll probably go with that one then.

I am still concerned about wattage though, I struggled to find any regular CPUs with a notably lower TDP than 65W - although I’d honestly be most intrigued by what it draws at idle-ish, because if it’s like a <5W difference there I wouldn’t bother… but of course idle changes depending on the system so not like that can be properly listed anywhere.

Do you potentially also have any Intel suggestions? Other people here mentioned an AMD iGPU might cause problems with Jellyfin.

I run EXOS drives in the under-stair cupboard. They’re noisy but they’re not that bad.

I think anything described as “noisy” would be too much, especially considering the savings are decent but not huge.

I’ve not heard of AMD CPUs handling this under Linux at least.

I’ll double check that then, just to be sure. Although I have noticed that, between me writing it down and now, the CPU is no longer available where I live, so I have to find a replacement either way.

You’re not using a CPU that most distributions support for hardware transcoding. You either need to use an Intel CPU with QuickSync or stick a discrete nvidia card in the box.

I see, I chose that one based on a recommendation from I believe the channel was called “Wolfgang’s Channel”. They make a lot of home lab content and showed the iGPU working fine for Plex, so I assumed it wasn’t an issue.

Are you intent on building your own box?

Yeah pretty much, I think it sounds fun

Regarding disks Seagate EXOS are often cheaper than IronWolfs and have higher MTBF than even the Pro. Don’t ask me why they’re lower cost, for more bang.

As I mentioned in my post, apparently they’re way louder since they’re made for datacenters where noise is crazy anyways, and since I am planning to have the NAS in my hallway I’d like to avoid the datacenter vibe, even if a handful of drives won’t cause quite that level of cacophony

I sadly can not. The old PC I’m scavenging from is incomplete and my current PC has a DDR5 motherboard. So the earliest point I can check them is once I’ve built the NAS since then I’d have a functioning PC here with DDR4 support.

Got it, thank you

Is noise the most important prio? Would you spend money for this goal?

Not the most important, but it is an important factor. If I am not losing much otherwise, I’d like to keep it not louder than say, an idling fridge. I would spend some more for quieter drives and fans, since those are the biggest noise concerns.

How about power usage?

Absolutely important, power prices here are some of the highest globally.

How about price limitations?

I’d very much like to stay below 2000€, preferably below 1750€. Currently it’s coming out at around 1600€.

When looking at harddisks, there is that performance issue called “CMR or SMR” (google it). Your ST8000NT001 seem fine performance-wise as the use CMR.

Yup, took that into account, but nonetheless thanks for mentioning it!

If you need really quiet ones, then maybe you want “desktop” harddisks. But many of them use SMR which limits their performance.

Doesn’t need to be super quiet, just not disruptive, I’m planning on having the NAS in the hallway.

Most guides recommend Raidz2 currently. Do you use backups?

Raidz2 means there are two entire “unused” drives which would be quite painful for my budget. I am planning on renting around 1TB of rsync storage and throwing things like Immich’s data on there. This is fine to me since I’d prefer one backup off-site anyways. Any of my jellyfin stuff can always be redownloaded as long as I keep a list of what I got somewhere else. Oh also I’m planning on getting all four drives at different stores and/or different times (at least a week or two in between) to reduce the chance of them failing all at once.

When buying SSDs, check for the “TBW” spec.

Noted

A friend of mine had an unRAID NAS and moved that over to TrueNAS later after being bothered by the licensing costs, that’s why I was looking into the latter more. I do know how to RTFM, so I think I should be fine on that? But maybe there’s gonna be a huge negative surprise, I suppose I don’t know that yet

How come? I’ve seen those recommended quite often.

Yeah, I thought about the RAM, but since I already have two 8GB sticks I decided not to bother. Couldn’t even buy two more since I have no idea what those are exactly, there are no stickers on them, so I’d have to buy 32GB entirely which is like 80-120€.

And as you said, that can always be done later if I run into trouble :)

Ah, sorry, I should’ve specified this further. Whether this can run what I need it to isn’t the primary concern, I believe it can do so, I primarily attached my decision making basis just in case it changes anything.

I’m more concerned about things like picking the correct drives, or if limiting my motherboard selection through an ITX case was a bad idea, or if my choice of not going with ECC was a poor one, those kinds of things.