Ppl don’t realise just how many geniuses go unrealised. It’s like 1/50-200 ppl.

Thanks for the link

I mean obviously most advancements happen in academy.

I’m just saying it’s not completely unrealistic for someone to actually realise something others have not.

I understand the depiction is of someone probably non-academic, but like… have you seen Slavoj Zizek?

That’s an academic. Highly so.

My point is rather that yeah, let’s mock anti-science dumb dumb, but also, let’s not idolise academic institutions. They’re much better for objective research and general advancement. But lots of their material are available for people who aren’t actively in academia and can still utilise it.

I wish I had better examples, but yeah, I’m not defending the meme as being wrong, I’m just pointing out the stereotypes ans discussing nuances.

Fuck those “do your own research people”, but love the people who actually do do proper research on their own, quote sourced, and actually contribute something, no matter how small.

There are lots of independent theoreticians who have done independent work, then brought it out to a scientific community and it’s sparked a ton of interest.

And I do mean “independent theoretician” as in a respectful euphemism to “mad bastards”, although I prefer the latter. You could also use “a touch too inspired”.

Okay well this guy was an actual academic, but the fox breeder came to mind first. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Belyayev_(zoologist)

Then three was the woman who mapped the entire sea floor by fucking drawing it painstakingly herself from like sonar scan results. She’s essentially who discovered good proof of tectonic plates. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Tharp

Tharp’s discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge caused a paradigm shift in earth science that led to the acceptance of the theories of plate tectonics and continental drift.

Okay well yeah she was an academic as well but those are just two massive names I can think of rn. And loads of us on Lemmy are actually academic, technically.

But anyway, basically the argument in the comic could’ve been used against those people, and definitely was against the plate tectonic lady.

Hell, the guy who figured out surgeons were killing patients but the morgue-full just because they weren’t washing their hands tried desperately convincing people to wash their hands and doctors just kept mocking him like “haha, as if it was our faults the patients died, right, yeah, tiny little bits of corpses on our hands, yea, haha, good one, Semmelweiss”.

Dude became rather aggravated that he’d figured it out and no-one listened. Ended up in an asulym and died of sepsis, the very thing he fought against so hard.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives

I feel that guy. Can share his frustration.

No but having one plate, one reusable box, one fork, one knife and one wine glass to wash is a lot less than all the things I use for cooking.

Knives, spoons, blender, pans, pots, containers, and most annoyingly, the cutting board. Because you want to take care of that nice wooden cuttingboard and make sure it’s clean and dry.

Still doing it.

You have to try and mock me a pseudointellectual, since you lack the intellect to engage with the arguments, so you mock it, while now writing a longer comment than mine.

Seems that you’re projecting pretty strongly with that

deciding that that’s your whole personality.

I’m the guy who’s been inspiring those YouTubers since the 90’s, lol.

Did you forget the part where I’m in the Finnish Defence Forces?

People who decide to identify as actual Nazis in the 21st century literally lose their personhood.

really change the point.

“My rhetoric being fallacious garbage means nothing”

Yeah see before where I said you lack the intellect to understand let alone engage with my argument.

If you can’t realize that, then you are missing a HUGE thing about the capacity for great evil (and great good) that human beings have.

"No, monsters aren’t real. That’s a made up bed time story thing. That

Monsters are very real. They just look exactly like everyone else. See before; “fallacious garbage”.

You are missing the point and supporting Nazism, even if you can’t understand the half a page argument with one link you need to check out (since you obviously haven’t actually read ‘The Banality of Evil’).

You know, trying to explain your already bad joke isn’t making it any funnier.

then our petty little back and forth will not matter when it really comes down to it, then right?

Ofc it will have. Everything matters. Some things more than others.

It seems like an excuse to not feel guilty for killing, and that seems like a dark path to go down.

“Oh please, won’t someone think of the Nazis?”

I don’t think you’ve actually read anything I’ve written. That too, is an exaggeration, I don’t literally mean that. I mean to say that you’ve not understood it for some reason. I’d like to point out that in my experience, the people who think calling someone an “internet philosopher” or “a fucking SJW” or “a keyboard warrior” (harder to call me a “keyboard warrior” when I’m actually part of the Finnish Defence Forces?) are usually slightly cognitively lazy and/or poorly educated people who just don’t have the attention-span nor the skills to actually engage in such discussion. So you mock it as being too fancy, meaning it’s too fancy… for you.

I can promise you not everyone share’s your view.

No, you won’t.

My war time posting is not in the front lines. It’s about ~30km behind them. In a leadership position.

(Yes, that’s the backside of my dogtags. I’m hardly going to dox myself by filming the front.)

Edit also, most communication is online nowadays, even academic. Everyone is constantly online. You can just call me a philosopher, no need for the “internet” or the quotations.

Calling them not human doesn’t help anything.

Openly displaying the attitudes they have for all other people’s towards them is done as a reminder of their garbage dehumanising rhetoric.

Just like you have a duty to punch a Nazi, you have a duty to dehumanise them.

It’s not because we believe anyone should ever be dehumanised —and we loudly proclaim that is our actual belief, enshrined in international human rights laws — it’s because it’s a rhetorical reminder of what Nazis do.

Like you say, of course they are people. In fact, the exact problem is the banality of evil. Historically pretty much a major portion of the Nazi party at it’s height were completely normal “law-abiding citizens”. Everyone knows what “I was just following orders” refers to. And that’s exactly it.

Those people are using it as an excuse, like “no-one told me it was wrong or shocking, I was merely acting like any reasonable person would”.

Had there been someone constantly yelling in their ear, about what cowardly shitbags they are, for not putting their life on the line, to resist the rhetoric coming from the actually fucked up psychopaths at the helm, maybe they couldn’t have reasonably used the “I’m just following orders” excuse.

So yeah. We need to dehumanise them all. I wouldn’t dehumanise like a 100 year old granny who was a member in 1942 or anything, obviously, but as far as rhetoric on the internet goes? They’re not people. Anyone directly supporting actual Nazi rhetoric deserves to be dehumanised for that reason until they change their views.

Evil is a human thing. No other animal does that.

Quite a philosophically naive argument, no offense. Animals eat their kids. Dolphins rape fish. Mushrooms take over ants make them zombies. Chimps even have wars.

But since you don’t think they possess the capacity to understand it’s “evil”, it’s not?

So… a dumb Nazi isn’t an evil Nazi? Or if you dehumanise a Nazi, it makes their actions acceptable? I don’t really get where you’re going with that particular point. (Sorry, I’ve a pet peeve about the naturalistic fallacy.)

Nazis are actual real people.

I could make an actual educated argument on how that’s literally not true, but it’d go into sophistry. Still, I definitely could.

Talk like that is exactly what leads to Nazis in the first place

No, it isn’t. It’s exaggerated rhetoric and a very appropriate response to legitimate Nazism.

What YOU are doing is what lead to the Nazis in the first place. Thinking you can reason with Nazis. 20th century Germany had people who basically were forced to be a Nazi, no matter their personal ideologies. It’s understandable, but it’s not acceptable. And it’s very different having been in the party when the Nazis were in rule and voluntarily choosing to be one in modern times. Choosing to become a Nazi is so much worse than being somewhat afraid in Germany in 1942, and joining out of fear for your life.

We know we’re purposefully exaggerating when we say Nazis aren’t people, and we know it. Nazis do not exaggerate with their calls to white supremacy.

So the appropriate reply to Nazism is to utterly dehumanise and shame them, as much as humanly possible.

I wanna see someone steal uranium

Uh… okay?

Niger Junta Takes Over French Uranium Mine Controlled by French Firm Orano Firstpost Africa

He’d displaying his lack of personality.

I’ve gathered some like that. Or I’ve misunderstood and people are easily led morons. One or the other.

Idk know he honestly has the greatest range, but definitely world class in comedy. And lots of people say comedy is harder than drama, but idk.

I haven’t really watched his latest works. Only the stoner movies and House, really.

That guy served in the White House btw, although that’s not really shocking anymore seeing who’s living there, but back during when he got on to the Obama administration, it was kinda crazy. (Also why his character killed himself in House MD.)

Ice is*

Sure, you’re Belgian, like Davel@lemmy.ml is American. ;>

Weird how you Putin loving totalitarians supporting crimes on humanity are never from Russia. Perhaps shamed of it? Rightfully so, what a ridiculous shitshow.

All you can do is cry “Nazi”. Like Zelensky is probably a nazi to you, and Putin is the rightful dear leader, right?

Do you disagree with Putin having a warrant out for him for grimes against humanity, or are you afraid of writing down what a mad, delusional narcissistic mess he is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Russian_leaders

Oh and just as a history lesson, Finland was never Nazi. We weren’t even Axis. We weren’t allied, we were aligned. I know PIE languages can be challenging for you, but there is a difference. :)

Belgians can also differentiate between “i” and “j”. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also… Russians never lie. ^/s

You’ll be crying, cyka, when the drones will be coming for you. You’ve eaten the propaganda, and can’t cure yourself anymore. You’ve drank the kool-aid, my man. I know you’re a coward who know wrong from right, but doesn’t have the balls to call it as it is, as he’s afraid of what his family / friends thinks, but just… try to gather a little bit of balls from somewhere. The world would thank you. You won’t though, you silly orc.

we’re talking about your shitty leaders

From my last comment:

I’m in the Finnish reserves and I’m laughing at GIFs of orcs getting deleted in Ukraine. I’m ready to see you at the border, buddy. Fucking bring it.

From there comment before that:

Oh no. I don’t live in the developing world like the US or Russia. Eww. Do you?

Soooo…

But oooh you’re a Fin

And you’re a Rus? That’s not how English works, back to school buddy.

Guess cyka got a bit offended at me saying I’m giggling at all the gifs of silly little orcs in Ukraine blowing up, and now you can’t control your emotions, showing everyone you indeed are Russian and very easily upset.

You’re too sensitive, Vanja. :(

He is a saint compared to that mass murderer.

Oh okay you’re a Russian troll.

You’re gonna argue that, obviously. Reality doesn’t matter and the fact that they got the prisoners reduced by ~98% doesn’t matter and you literally writing “Putin is a saint compared to Obama” won’t matter.

“Deflecting” from what, exactly? From me arguing that you’re equating all US leaders? That’s exactly what we’re doing.

Your argument is that “all US leaders are unemotional mass murderers and to be equated morally”, because Ruski propaganda at the moment wants Krasnov/Trump to not seem as the shitshow he and his government is.

I’m in the Finnish reserves and I’m laughing at GIFs of orcs getting deleted in Ukraine. I’m ready to see you at the border, buddy. Fucking bring it.

They are just as guilty

No they’re not. They might be guilty, but they’re clearly not equally guilty, when one side is trying to shut down the camp and one is trying to expand it to hold 30,000.

You can’t be so naive as to think that presidents are automatically autocrats, and that Obama and Biden “didn’t really” want to close Gitmo?

I wouldn’t be surprised if you equated Obama to Putin next. Which would give away your allegiance pretty efficiently.

I’m glad Trump is expediating the inevitable downfall of your country,

Oh no. I don’t live in the developing world like the US or Russia. Eww. Do you?