DJ Trump did Kirk 11.

Some people just dont want my money. [Steps out into the airlock]

Yeah, never did communism bring to power a impossible to remove group or person focused on increasing their power and blocking any chance of keeping them in check. Unheard off.

Ive observed the Polish “fight for democracy” in recent years up close and I call bullshit. I’ve worked as a tech for a key “democratic” NGO behind some of the biggest protests, and Ive been on the front-lines providing security to the Women’s Strike as it was assaulted by pigs and fascist militia. Most people, particularly here, don’t care about abstract ideas. They care when they feel their freedom, their money, their chances are being taken away.

We had pro-democratic marches of liberal parties mobilizing mostly middle class for years and it changed nothing. Crossing the line on abortion laws did that, as it affected the working class.

Woman’s Strike was a failure in many ways, but it did mobilize enough people to vote to bring back any actual left into the parlament and slightly grow liberals margins. Barely enough to take over the parliament, after which conservatives won the presidential elections (and we got this). This american style conservative-liberal duopoly has been going strong for the last 20 years. Democracy did not win, and whoever claims so is not watching closely. We might slide down hardcore right wing, we might stay at benevolent neocon liberals, or we get a friendly visit for an old occupier, you never know.

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After most of em got offed by anarchist peasent army? Yeah, right. Not that there was a mass self organised movement in that particular region that had to be eradicated.

Let me guess, they sunk their battleship?

One could argue the design choices themselves are hardcoded opinions, as it would be possible to imagine for example a more democratic way to moderate.

Would be interesting if someone checked what % of that archive is slopified.

No. Positions Linux as an alternative in broader part of the society.

Take a few steps back, maybe a walk, and then read again what you just wrote.

Nah, that’s more about all the Israelies being sneaky hiding stuff from us with their funky language. But nice gaslighting you got there.

Are you trying to, in a somewhat antesemitic manner, imply Signal encryption is broken based of a single sentence? One, where you dont know of stuff was posted on a group or sent directly to prosecutor general?

As the small and medium firms grow into large firms, the state exerts more control and subsumes them more into the public sector. This was a gamble, but unlike what happened to the USSR, this was done in a controlled manner that ended up not undermining the socialist system overall.

Yeah and its not like these firms grow on extracting the value added of the workers, because its socialism and its totally different. They just get horrible job conditions for a pay allowing at best sustaining themselves, but its their country because the irreplacable goverment says so.

As for the rest I could actually agree in most points, China clearly played USA, it did manage to pull a lot of people from extream poverty. That being said it is not communist in everyday life of normal people it could be hardly considered socialist. What I’ve seen is just another totalitarian capitalist state on it neverending path toward better times and I just don’t belive there’s socialism comming out of that. It already developed a new sort of owners class, same as other socialist republics you join the party to conduct your buisnesses, not much different from a american country club or scientologists. Never ending ideological BS and in the end its always the workers paying with their loves.
Id say only time will tell who’s right, but then your cheerleading for a clearly corrupt capitalist state of Russia so no point in arguing on that further.

Yeah, we both did made up our minds about this clearly. I did watching how stuff is produced in Chinese factories as a hired translator for a small time capitalist making deals there, you did from ideological texts. And yet you are the one defending private ownership and market economy, while my problem is that it’s been nearly a hundred years and they have less public ownership then they had say 40 years ago. Also this is not an issue I’m trying to have an in depth conversation about, this is only a side note.

You have yet to prove that the war is about extraction, your only point is that Russia hasn’t invaded Finland despite being entirely different situations.

No, my main point is this; https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=9f04944a2fe84edab9da31750c2b15eb&extent=36.6605%2C47.7199%2C36.6815%2C47.7363 and secondary, that your “NATO to close” argument is ostensibly irrelevant anywhere else. Your “disproving” of this point was what? Saying “no it’s not”?

Socialism is not the absence of private property,

Didnt take you for a social democrat. I was pretty sure we actually share fondness for actual workers control, my bad.

Russia has an absolutely tiny amount of the world’s largest companies

True, yet a very disproportionate amount of the worlds richest people. Just as if their was some wild exploitation going on there.

it’s an industrialized economy that has no colonies.

The ones recently “couped” in Africa aside.

There is both a massive quantitative difference and a qualitative difference as a result of that massive gap.

And that means they can invade key resource rich regions of other countries, exploit these and other resources benefiting their own economy and it’s ok?

You do know, that Slavic (and so also Muscovian) history is mostly based on self exploitation; literally slave trade with own people, holding serfs/peasantry as slaves tied to land and so on?
Why would a country bother exporting factories, when it has unlimited land, and impoverished and underdeveloped “republics” with freely exploitable ethnic minorities? Would say Chechnya (their Luhansk/Donetsk style right to self-determination aside) be a place of expensive labour and lack of militant force to keep it in check? But then again, it’s not like the USA owns factories in China, the same factories that produce for the west produce for Russia.

OK, no problem. But then is it extraction or “capital export”? If it were extraction we’d arrive at the very point that started this discussion, where I stated this is exactly what is happening.

This entire comment is just erasing Donetsk and Luhansk, and the right of their self-determination.

How many casualties of this war were there before Russian troops moved in to occupy the supposedly self-determinating regions? Your argument is that of a bully asking why is Ukraine punching itself in the face. Yes, this has been going for over a decade, you can stop repeating this mantra, as this is one of the few things we do agree on.

Finland is not nearly as armed as Ukraine

Oh yeah, after 10+ years of war against Russia Ukraine is likely better armed than a number of times smaller country. Still, wouldn’t be that sure when it came to per capita expense/militarization, particularly before the Russian invasion, but that’s not important. What is that Russia is in fact not concerned with NATO being a stone throw away from it’s second largest city, or surrounding it’s key military installations in the north. It’s only concerned with resources rich regions of the south Ukraine. Go figure.

This is going in circles, you deny material facts

Which material fact did I deny? In particular?

or drop the subject entirely when you’re disproven without acknowledging.

Dude, at least have the decency to look critically at your own arguments, most of them are not even beyond “because I say so”. Is Chinas economy controlled by private capital, and majority work for private enterprise? Yes. But it says “socialism” on the box, so EOT. Is Russia exploiting occupied land? Yes, but “not exporting capital” as if that means something when it’s only the ruling cast accumulation capital and the rest of the nation living worse off then they did 40 years ago. Is Russia establishing control over global south countries in exchange for explicit control of resources like gold mines? Yes, but somehow it’s not colonialism, Each time somehow it’s ok, because Russia can. Russia has the right to establish whatever it wishes on any other countries, but said countries have no rights over their own territory or politics as anything not pro-Russian is western imperialism. And the thing is - for us it’s not a support of either, it’s an existential struggle not to be crushed by either. Our countries have endured Nazi occupation as well as Russian and Soviet ones. The amount of threats of invasion against the Baltic states for example is just absurd, we had a weekly threat of a nuclear war from Russia towards most of CEE. But somehow you will claim their security, the one of a 140 million strong nuclear empire stretching two continents, depends on a “a land bridge” in southern Ukraine, despite historical precedence, how wars have been conducted in the last 50 years and ignoring the very material, obvious resources capture and extraction.

Ukraine is right on Russia’s doorstep,

So is Finland.

is still at active war with Donetsk and Luhansk,

Which were occupied by Russia, so you’re claiming they can not defend against a foreign invasion of their borders. If you did not notice Putin admitted it was Russian millitary taking them over initially.

and was increasingly belligerant and building up troops in the Donbass while getting closer to NATO.

So is Finland.

Norway and Finland are not at active war and are not increasingly belligerant towards Russia beyond the usual condemnations.

Pretty sure they are very openly arming themselves and Ukraine.

Self-determination, morals, etc are not the driving reasons for why this war is happening.

Unless its a defensive war which it is for Ukraine.

Why not support the rights of Donetsk and Luhansk to self determination?

Because they are fake, as admitted by Putin, and as practiced before by the “peoples republics” in Georgia, that are now mostly abandoned and forced into merging with Russia proper, as the ukrainian once already were.

Why are you acting like a Banderite ignoring the interest of any other etnicity/community/nation of the region?

Mate banderites sloughtered my people. Thats the level of unity Russia can achive against itself.

I know Russia is capitalist. I also know that it isn’t at war with Kiev to plunder Ukraine.

You choose to belive so ignoring the material facts.

Sorry, edited my reply before noticing this.