This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
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This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.
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Having spent the last year living in China I can tell you that about 50% of the people I asked have them. I even ended up using one recommended by a local because it worked better than the western one I had been using.
I read comments and posts from Chinese posters who go through VPNs regularly.
And yet people in still china use VPN when wanting to access outside of their own net.
Could we take wind out of the excuse “it’s to protect the children” by implementing a signal like DoNotTrack/GPC but for NSFW content?
vpns being more regulated than guns aren’t politicians awesome
I’m getting to the point where I’d rather see csam legalized than this shit. (Keep reading)
Think about it: csam will happen, period. I’m not world’s best computer engineer but even Incan build something that embeds data like text or images in other files in ways that cannot be detected. I can build basic but effective encryption that will be hard enough to crack. I can find ways to exchange files outside the internet, hell, do sneakernet
And kids watching porn online? They’ll have their buddies who have libraries that will be copied. A single USB drive can contain days of porn videos and you can’t stop that either
Then there are these laws that “are to protect children” which makes me just outright want to vomit. You take victims of child pornography and use them for your political gain, for your power. You are almost worse than pedophiles. At least pedophiles harm only one child, you harm all of them you sack of fucking shit.
And no, of course I don’t want child pornography legalized, of course not by what is the solution?
These assholes have been at it for decades now and they play the long game. They can lose every year and come back next year. They only have to win once and they move on to he next good thing they can destroy.
So what can we actually really seriously do to stop this?
I think we just have to accept that no solution is 100%. You just need some balance between success and side effects.
As long as people can communicate, it will to some extent spread. So really, the only truly 100% solution would be a couple of nuclear bombs all around the world. Look at that, crime rates went to 0!
I am not really intelligent or knowledgeable enough to provide best-balance solutions.
Anyway, as far as limiting access to porn, perhaps it could be done privately. You could have some trusted verification platform, perhaps even government provided, deal with it with cryptographic signature, maybe as I said, I am too dumb for solutions.
My idea is, the website that wants to verify your age knows the public key of the government provided service used for this purpose (who already has your data anyway), and generates some random data in base64. You copy that, paste it into the verification website, they sign it, and give you the base64-encoded response. You then paste the response into website that wants to verify your age, it verifies the signature and then that you’re 18+.Basically just trusted authority saying “verified being 18+”. The website doesn’t know who you are, verification system doesn’t know what you wanted that verification for.
Of course, you could verify that for anyone else, but I can also walk into a shop, buy cigarettes, alcohol and give them to a kid. Not 100%, but good enough.
We had hardcore magazines that circulated back in the days before easy internet. Guess the last time children didn’t have access was probably in the 18th century or so.
Guess the next step is controlling all chat groups, emails and cloud spaces to “avoid children exploiting these”…
What an obnoxious excuse, there are far worse problems children have to face besides bad parenting.
How about parents supervise their own kids them-fuckin’-selves?
Naturally is a problem of the parents and of nobody else, but the childrens are only an excuse of legislators to impose control, the only reason. If not the children than are crimes or terrorism to justify surveillance. More fascist an gov, more censorship, more biased information and less privacy is supported, it’s an axiom, the best citizen is an ignorant and submissive one. “First they banned childs from porn sites, than they banned anonym access to Wikipedia and VPN…” recipe how to cook a frog
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO02/20220407/114616/HHRG-117-GO02-20220407-SD018.pdf
Repeating history by the same assholes to kill the free and open internet and information.
Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it’s the only way to make sure!
Oh, what’s that, it’s not actually about the porn, it’s about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!
Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I’m losing my fucking mind…
It’s so weird. Just don’t give your kids unrestricted internet access if you’re concerned about any of this…
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Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.
No, simply don’t us the computer as nanny, educate your childs to the correct and safe use of the network. You can add, if you want, SwissCows as search engine, which is Familysafe by design, apart of private. Also possible to block NSFW sites on DNS level. But this isn’t the question here, it’s about some assholes in the Goverment which want absolute control over the information the people see in the web, apart to monitor their activity, even reading your mail (what Google already does).
Or, y’know… they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren’t morons, they’re just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them… Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin’ nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn’t gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they’ll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from fucking prison! (no pun intended)
Edit: I will say this forever and ever - it is the parents’ duty to adapt to the world in which their kids have to live, not to force their kids to adapt to a world their parents wish would apply!
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain)
You’re 100% correct, but I would also like to point out how weird it is that porn seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I know this is a BBC article about the UK, but I can’t help but see some parallels with the right-wing religious conservatives everywhere in the world.
They don’t care about women. They don’t care about children. They don’t care about workers. They care about having lots of cheap labor. They care about parents being too tired, too overworked, too risk-averse for the sake of their children to dare to fight back. They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately. Any substitute which threatens that (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, sex education) is under attack.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I
…and guess what. Those same people are the ones didling the children. I can fill your inbox weekly with examples of clergy, police, republicans, christo facist et al. Now, don’t even think for a second that I give the democrats a pass either. However, the list of democrats is much shorter, but fuck them both. Me thinks they doth protest too loudly.
I’m neiher republican nor democrat. Just a lowely American. I don’t need a political echo chamber to have a political compass.
At the very least, most of the Democrats are guilty of taking money from those ghouls.
To bring it back to Palantir, Biden himself was singing their praises back when he was vice president and the US government was using their surveillance tools.
As much as it is good to see MAGA turn on Trunk over the Epstein files, it’s not lost on me that Garland, under Biden, sat on the files doing nothing for 4 years. And maybe that would make sense if they were actively investigating and trying to prosecute people, but as far as I can tell Maxwell is the only one who faced any consequences.
I don’t want to distract the narrative away from Trump’s guilt. And also, when you stack up presidential accomplishments I’d still rank Biden near the top, probably top-5 in US history. But that says more about the other presidents than Biden.
Our government in the US is corrupt and compromised top to bottom and side to side, and has been for quite a long time now. No one gets a pass.
In the US children get shot and killed at school on a monthly basis and all the government can think to do is age-gate porn and ban books
Yep, it’s always about profit and control with these assholes, never about what’s right or wrong. And even the religious pretext is just utter bullshit from where they’re standing, using it to make the pill easier to swallow for the brainwashed masses, nothing more…
These people don’t give a fuck about any sort of god or code, they just want more money and more power. That’s all there is to it.
seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
Nah, they dug in with it in the healthcare field, when “fighting for nurses” who were idiots and thought vaccines killed people.
They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately.
It’s what Jesus would have wanted
You spelled ‘squirting’ wrong, I think 🫡
Good point, I do feel my brain liquefying and gushing out through my friggin’ ears when seeing what we’re doing to ourselves…
It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We’ll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world’s richest countries. We’re a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.
Are not the US citizen a joke, you can not blame people who were educated in ignorance by the Governments, more in the fear of God than in the lack of reasoning capacity in a pseudo-democracy. Living in abubble and helpless in shock, when they visit Europe, seeing what means living safe and protected, with rights they even didn’t know that they exist. This is only sad, we make fun of your crappy fascist system and the current pedo-nazi asshole of president, not the people which don’t know it better.
Ah yes, Europe. Bastion of safety and human rights.
Some countries of the EU and UK isn’t part of the EU. Europe has one of the strongest privacy laws, it’s a constitutional basic right, because of this the acrobacies of right wing politicians to find a manner to surround it without violating the user privacy rights, but it’s nearly impossible and for sure it will cost time until something like this is implemented, and more until it is implemented in all countries, which is another problem. Spain at least is clear, childrens are responsability of their parents, period.
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It seems like a perpetual panic, sustained because it creates a lever of exploitation to control the gullible. Like you can read complaints about “oversexed youth” from time periods when pornography was totally banned and women were essentially chattel. And hey, Boomers didn’t have internet porn and they are fucked.
Satanic Panic
Watching the children whack off and being judgemental is Yahweh’s job, not his ministers.
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So they prefer to spy on what their kids are doing? Bah, those ministers are nonce creeps.
Terf island is controlled by nonces
Not their kids. Yours and mine.
I’m so fucking sick of losing my rights to protect other people’s kids. I don’t have any fucking kids. Why don’t they apply their idiotic rules to those that do and leave the rest of us be.
Also, give up your rights for the kids, but don’t ask for any justice towards the royal pedophile prince, that’s bad.
Also, no more free school lunches, think of the children.
Who is voting for these people?
I have a feeling that this is another example of the ruling class doing whatever it wants regardless of what the working class wants.
Our representatives do not represent us.
Because we’re fine with kids not having rights, but when anyone else gets mildly screwed by regulation like this we get angry. Great. How about we did something about it before it started affecting us?
Keep watching this bit, so you dont focus on the other bit… which will be to attack end to end encryption in message apps. ie you must put a back door in, so we can see who is saying what, whenever we want.
This labour government, makes me want tories back. Thats how fucking bad they are.
you know, a federal europe with a shared, rotated heads of governments (always at least 3 countries) would help a lot, geopolitically too come back you fools, we miss you. Put Starmer and Farage together into a padded cell and let them fight it out
It is not about the children, nor their parents. Redirect your anger towards the perpetrators, not towards the scapegoats…
I have no anger towards children or parents in general. I just think it’s the parent’s responsibility to monitor their kids not the government’s. Thus, the only people who should be affected by rediculous rules and laws that “protect children” are people who have children. Plus, there are plenty and religious and right wing parents who support shit like this.
I have 2 kids, and I can’t agree more. My kids have PCs with Linux, I control and monitor everything they do in them, and teach them to use technology responsibly. That’s my job, not any government’s.
I keep saying this. People have kids, but then don’t want the responsibility that carries with it.
Linux
I control and monitor everything they do in them
Some software recommendations? I mean, I don’t have kids, but I like Linux and it doesn’t hurt to know where to perhaps point someone.
So far I only seen Veyon in action, but only for monitoring and remote control of multiple PCs, which probably doesn’t fit home environment.Very true, more parents should be like you. Unfortunately, I’ve known many parents who are completely fucking neglectful and when their kid fucks up or gets caught doing something they’re not supposed to they look for anyone or anything besides themselves to blame.
I’ve only known one person who I could honestly say was a good parent. She sacrificed everything to give her 2 sons a great life. She did everything and only put a reasonable amount of responsibility on her kids to help out. She didn’t date or go out, she sacrificed her own needs and basically was always working and active in her kids life. One of her son’s was autistic and needed a lot of extra attention and care and the other turned out to be the most responsible and well adjusted dude I’ve ever known. I wish more parents were like her.
Dude, that was my mom, and with 4 kids. I believe that my brother and I, even more so than my 2 sisters, are the type of parents we are because of how my mom raised us. And I got beat regularly on suspicion alone (but I was always suspicious, so there’s that) by her, and today, I could not be more grateful of the mom God gave us. My kids have never been even spanked, no so much as a slap on the wrist, and they go insane when I tell them about how we were raised.
My mom knew every single one of our friends and their parents, and they kept regular communication over the phone. It really took a village to raise a kid 🤣
I’m a parent and I’m sick of it too. It’s so incredibly easy to monitor your kid today as modern parental control system literally do most of the work for you. Also you can just talk and be honest with your kids - 12-16 year olds are pretty smart contrary to what some want you to think.
Literally no one likes this except the bottom of the barrel brain washed idiots. I’m not a conspiracist but I meet other parents and while I’m not based in the UK, porn access was never an issue for any parent so this just reeks of propaganda.
Seriously, they build parental controls into pretty much all modern devices and there’s plenty of 3rd party software for added functionality and customization. The tools are there for parents. All they have to do is enable and configure them.
I think people who support this shit and other other laws that strip our rights away are virtue signaling, neglectful/lazy, or like you said completely brainwashed. I think that those in power want to slowly work towards banning porn completely and not just in the UK. I’ve said it elsewhere, but politicians and rich assholes like Elon Musk are worried about birthrates falling and this is just one of many tactics to try to get people to have more kids.
The 3rd party apps cost max 100$ a year and does almost everything for you (with plenty of good free 1st party options like Google Family Link). All you have to do is review the alerts and configure screen time and you still let your kids retain good amount of privacy. It’s insane how easy it is these days so there are no excuses for any parent, period.
Because it’s all an excuse to eliminate all privacy. The empire doesn’t survive if the workers are allowed to communicate freely.
I know. If they really cared about protecting kids they could force ISPs to sell a whitelisted or blacklisted “Family” service. They could even go further into insanity and force parents to only use that service until their kids turn 18. They could even force parents to install tracking software to make sure kids only connect to safe networks and use school registration records to keep track of homes with children.
Of course that’s all rediculous, but obviously they don’t want to protect kids. They want to take away our rights and privacy and with the way politicians all over the world have been harping about falling birthrates, making it harder to access porn might cause fewer people to use it in the hope that more people have kids.
Bullshit, ISPs are not responsible for kids either. That’s the parents’ job, not any company’ or government’.
I agree completely. I was giving a rediculously extreme example of a way they could actually try to protect kids from porn if that really was their goal.
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I agree, using saas services is a curse.
If you don’t self host your goon llm she’s a prostitute
Talk more openly about how none of these people give a fuck about protecting kids, and just want to
make life shitty for everyone including themgrab power.Point out bad faith and don’t let it be about anything else, until it actually is. We can’t get anywhere because nobody’s actually dealing with the actual situation, which is people lying publicly.
Stop going along with that shit. Every time you talk about the fake issue, you’re helping them by pretending they’re telling the truth when they aren’t.
Its simple. Give them more control and power over you or youre a pedophile.
Pedophile or minor, there isn’t another option in the UK. Just let us know you’re old enough and when you view porn.
Their families are in for a rude awakening.
Some people can only take so much abuse before they snap and take it out on their abusers.
Make controlled corn illegal.
Make VPN illegal.
Make horny illegal.
Make showing body and hairs in public illegal.
This little drama may be UK specified, but govs are pushing borders of how much they can squeeze us before society starts to boil. We should boil and explode fast and faster each time, making such gov illegal instead.
Just saying… And I did not speak out, Because I was not an UK citizen.
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I’m bit worried, do You mean what will spread, gov and company greed, or citizen disobedience?
I won’t delude anyone for hunger for power and money will only grow while eating. But citizens fighting for their freedom, uhm… well… sure, there is always breakpoint, when society will explode and do fight… but so far, it looks like, greed do 10 steps front, society explode, and greed do 1 step back, all calm, and greed do next 10 steps forward, another protest, another 1 step back, another chill, and next 10 steps…
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No matter, if another countries will get inspired by UK directly, or develop hard laws on their own, but agree, they will try.
I guess it’s just too late for all those children that viewed porn. The piles of their dead bodies must be enormous!
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