Democrats hope to use the government shutdown standoff to extend health care subsidies while Trump shows no signs he is willing to negotiate.
  • drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    6 months ago

    Government is starting to break down. Officials are being arrested by ICE. This really feels like the pot is so ready to boil, which just sucks for the average Joe trying to get by.

    • BigFig@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Pots been boiling for years, the right just put a lock on the lid like a pressure cooker.

      • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        And took the knob, and sold it to Russia. They’ll sell us a new knob, but it just spins on the axle, occasionally turns red hot, and yells banal insults at you.

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      They need to shut it down AND call for a nationwide general strike. And then we don’t stop until every Republican has been removed from government, gerrymandering has been outlawed and fixed, and RCV is the law of the land.

      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        6 months ago

        Seriously. That’s what’s lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don’t want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you’re systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources.

    • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      That’s exactly what Republicans want. They’ve already proven previously that the people don’t actually care about a shutdown occurring. And that just lets t hem further reduce government expenses. The things that get shutdown are things they can’t grift from anyway so they don’t care about them.

      • grue@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        It’s a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.

        • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          6 months ago

          losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.

          Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system.

          • grue@lemmy.world
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            6 months ago

            Okay, but that’s not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is.

            You gotta have a plan that’s actually actionable in the short term, or else you’re just indulging in pointless wankery.

    • vortic@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      They’re going to let the shutdown happen but they’re not going to point the blame where it needs to go. They’re going to be spineless and let the Republicans blame them for the shutdown.

      They absolutely have to shut it down. That said, if they lose the messaging game (they will) they will absolutely lose this fight.

    • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Shutting it down would be giving him what he wants: expanded powers and no one to answer to (because the government is shut down).

    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      6 months ago

      Everything left of themselves are radical to Facists. Alex Jones got a lot of leeway back in Bush days because people thought him being against Bush meant he was closer to center, but it was the opposite. Bush wasn’t terrible enough for Jones.

      Same with Fuentes and Kirk really; groypers attacked TPUSA mostly for not being racist enough to Jews.

    • pjwestin@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I know that was Schumer’s excuse last time, but I’m not sure that really adds up. The federal courts can still fund themselves for a few weeks after a shutdown. Also, the lower courts are slowing Trump down, but the Supreme Court is consistently ruling in his favor. If anything, he should want the courts to be running as quickly as possible so he can keep appealing and getting the Supreme Court to overturn all the restrictions the lower courts are placing on him.

      Plus, while ICE is being designated an essential agency and ICE agents are expected to fulfill their full duties during a shutdown, they do it without pay (and get back-pay when the shutdown ends). That’s not a big deal for a week, but if you stretch a shutdown out for a month, that starts to hurt. I’d like to see how loyal Trump’s dogs are when they’re not getting fed.

      • BanMe@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems. But now he no longer sees this equation that way.

        I’m not a big fan of his right now but I like to at least hope that level of strategy is actually happening

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems.

          I’m not buying this narrative. After a solid year of democrats insisting that biden was pressuring netanyahu behind the scenes when absolutely nothing of the sort was actually happening, I place no faith at all in any assertion of what’s going on behind the scenes. This is a post facto justification of actions schumer took because he wanted to. If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt here and accept the “public perception wouldn’t be with us” narrative, the best I can say is that he’s a spineless amoral windsock who is utterly incapable of leadership.

          But now he no longer sees this equation that way.

          He’ll find some new excuse to cave. It may take time. He might actually go through with it this time, but it won’t last more than a week and there will be zero concessions for ending the shutdown.

        • pjwestin@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          Strong leadership can shape public perception, so if that’s true, it’s just a further indictment of his inability to lead. I have to assume that Schumer thought Trump wouldn’t be able to get enough House Republicans behind his bill, and had no plan for how the Senate would respond if he did. It’s the only possible explanation for why he would let every House Democrat take the position that the shutdown would be preferable to the bill, then make them all look like idiots a few days later. I don’t think there’s any strategy happening here.

  • GreenBottles@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I’m still waiting to see who these ‘radical left democrats’ are… cuz I’m more left and radical than ANYONE that’s elected currently. I don’t understand how that doesn’t just get old…

    • Joeffect@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      You’re not radical or left enough to have gone all the way around to being extremely right… it’s like a circle…

      Edit: people obviously didn’t get the joke 🤷‍♂️

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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        6 months ago

        No it’s not. The political spectrum is two-dimensional not one dimensional. You’ve got radical left and radical right on one axis and then you’ve got authorian and libertarian on the other axis. Their can be, and has been, authoritarian left wing leaders. Trump is right and up. They’ve gone left and up, they haven’t gone in a circle.

      • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        6 months ago

        Horseshoe theory is bullshit.

        The original spectrum is based on seating arrangements of the French ruling body after the revolution. Maybe that’s not a good model to begin with.