I don’t view Democrat leadership as moderate at all. “Centrist”, just means Republican policies that boil the frog.
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They propose removing money from politics, taxing the rich, paying for everybody’s healthcare including dental, and enshrining bodily autonomy rights in law.
some of them propose some of that some of the time.
- Removing money from politics is not a party goal.
- The party was never behind m4a, just some individuals
- they’ve never attempted to enshrine bodily autonomy rights in law even when they were in power. They just campaign on it then forget as soon as the election ends.
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2010 was 15 years ago, They haven’t done or said shit Since then on healthcare, and what they ended up producing was a fucking handjob to the insurance companies. They refuse to confront drug companies, Healthcare companies, or trusts operating in every sector of the economy.
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- They did nothing.
That ignores them not fighting, so long after the fact I do not care to describe once again what I mean by that, but I should not have to describe to you how to play politics. We need strong leadership and we have not had that.
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Everything continued to get worse so why don’t you give it a rest. If pretending like these Democrats were doing a good job worked we wouldn’t be in this position. Stop trying to bully everybody into anything like this is an acceptable job.
- Show me in their platform where it says that. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2024-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf
- Show me in their platform where it says they still support that. Show me any recent serious party wide efforts. Show me in kamala harris’ 2024 platform.
- You don’t have to pass constitutional amendments to pass laws. They could introduce bills even if they don’t pass and campaign on them.
They do the bare minimum to trick people like you into thinking they give a single fuck about you. I’m sorry, but that don’t. The Democrat party is owned by wealthy interests that unlike the Republicans are smart enough to give the working class enough crumbs to keep society from collapsing, but that’s not enough to energize people to vote anymore because life just keeps getting harder and harder for the average American even when they’re in charge.
All that isn’t to say that people shouldn’t vote for a corporate dem when it’s that or a republican, but you’re completely blind if you can’t see that there are real problems with the party that are contributing to their losses.
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- Touche, though passing a constitutional amendment as the method is a pipe dream, and you’ll have to forgive me for not really believing they mean it given how many of them are completely governed by special interests.
- They don’t get credit for something they did 15 years ago and have completely backed off on.
- Ok why didn’t that do that when they controlled the house? Oh yeah because it’s something they only do to drive engagement and never act on when they actually have the power to.
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Abortion rights (and everything else that was a constant campaign point for both the rs and ds) were hanging by a thread on supreme court decisions for years and years. They had decades to actually legislate them.
FYI that user is incapable of seeing any of the obvious flaws in the dnc. Especially if it is related to any of the times dems have compromised with gop on terrible bills or policies
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There’s been multiple times the dems have capitulated in negotiations before the negotiations have started.
If there was no gop we’d still get terrible bills from the right democrats
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It’s amazing how the only period you ever reference is when with a short super majority only managed to implement Romneycare.
Biden was a moderate, Obama started leaning progressive but quickly ran to be a moderate, both Clinton’s more on the right than moderate, etc.
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He’s actually for the horrid GOP bills when Democrats sign off on it. Or they wrote it because the same lobbyists pay for both parties. But horrid bills are good when Dems do it.
According to the dems never put out bad bills, only gop introduces bad things 🙃
Never ever, just don’t ask who wrote and voted in KOSA, censoring American internet “to protect the kids”.
And they still don’t understand ACA was rebranding of Romneycare
Or voted for the patriot act, or Iraq war or more recently to not renew child tax credits
Performative acts, like biden on the voting rights bill, they tried to introduce it and the senate filibustered and biden said aw shucks. No fight on any issues, no threatening federal monies to be rearranged to encourage support, no digging dirt and disgracing some of tje worst.
Did you read the article? Or even pay attention to the democratic platform since fdr?
The 2024 record is straightforward: frontline Democrats campaigned largely as moderates. Border and police funding, fentanyl crackdowns, oil drilling permits, law-enforcement endorsements, bipartisan validators.
Not a single one of those Democrats confronted any of the business interests cheating us and violating antitrust laws, from drug companies and health insurance all the way to meat packing companies and other agribusiness.
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They’ve been moderates the entire time
Did you read the article? Or even pay attention to the democratic platform since fdr?
No they won’t, you can’t expect them to read things their mind disagrees with.
Name a candidate who is actually pro anything you said.
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Yeah I don’t need to talk to you anymore.
Now I really don’t know what to think of that user
Democrats are moderate in the sense that if republicans did not exist it would quickly split into a more classically conservative party and a moderately progressive party.
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whelp, time to shave your head.
The vast majority of Democrats are center-right. That’s not moderate.
Get disgruntled voters to vote again, drive up turnout, maybe the Dems will win.
Try to convert brainwashed fascists to fasc-lite: absolute recipe for continued failure.
The DNC wants the Dems to be the Washington Generals.
Well, democracts mostly act like the other side of the coin of republican. And it’s not hard to understand why when you see PACs and millionaires funding both.
Every potential convert you were ever going to turn happened election day 2020.
That’s why it isn’t working.
We don’t want moderates. Moderates aren’t the ones that will get Civil Rights, campaign reform, rein in monopolies, get rid of Citizens United, health care for all, etc. Moderates just half-ass “solutions” that keep stuffing more money in the already wealthy’s pockets while ineffectively trying to get bakeries to make wedding cakes for gay couples. We need actual liberals and progressives, not Republican-lite.
Fuck, so many signs, so many failures for so many years…
Say what you want for Republicans but they plan and play long term and they play it well. So many small losses, but every hundred losses, another quiet, hidden step forward to eroding democracy… Fox news, the Republican state TV channel, winning a lawsuit enabling them to call themselves a news organization while lying, hell, since Reagan…
The US has been sliding in this direction for 4-5 decades now, look where you’ve gotten yourself, it’s embarrassing…
I think this is simplifying and twisting narratives. Republicans didn’t plan for Trump, but the evangelicals and extremists rolled with it (just like progressives and antifa would’ve rolled with someone like Bernie). Besides an authoritarian take over of elections, the republicans don’t seem to be putting anyone electable up on a podium lately.
I doubt any of us are privy to what the Democrats plan and play long term, if anything they’ve been more effective at controlling their party if we’re looking at them through the lens of being moderates. If you think they’re “failing”… it’s in the eyes of a citizen and not what their donor’s interests are which is the priority of the party.
I am interested to learn about how the rest of the world is handling the “news” issue though, I see a lot of media coming from other countries (like UK and Australia) which follow the same format of fox so figured we were all fucked when it comes to actually vetting what can be labeled as a news source.
Democrats now are where Republicans were in the 80s
This is correct. They’ve “moderated” their views so many times over the years that they are only distinguishable from Reagan Republicans because of their stance on abortion.
And people are even calling for Dems to be more “pro-life” in order to further appeal to “moderates.” It’s absurd.
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Democrats Are Already “Moderate.”
I’d say quite a few of them are conservative bordering on reactionary. You just can’t see it for all the MSNBC talking heads that insist Henry Cuellar is the far left of the political spectrum and anyone beyond that is a Tankie posting from a North Korean IP address.
No fucking shit, everyone knows this, even the democrats know this, most of them are just bought and paid for
I remember having mad respect for Biden for announcing his intention before 2020 of being a one term president.
It sickens me how much the Democrats dropped the ball.
Biden doesn’t get enough hate. If he had allowed real primaries, the Democratic candidate would have won easily. Trump won again because right wing Democrats fight harder against progressive Democrats than they do against Republicans.
That’s assuming the Democrats would even allow fair primaries. That shit has been rigged since forever.
My best “famous people” story is that I once had a private dinner with Joe Biden and his entire family, Jill and Beau and Hunter and their kids when they were small.
Now, instead of a great story, I had dinner with one of the worst presidents of our time.
Dammit Joe. You fucked up our country, and my story.
one of the worst presidents of our time
Given the competition, he’s actually one of the best of our time.
That’s not a good thing.
No. He’s the modern Buchanan, but worse since the civil war we’re careening towards wouldn’t have happened if he’d not decided to run again.
True story
Exactly.
The whole moderate thing was an attempt to appeal to Republican voters. They live in a personality cult echo chamber now, it would serve no purpose except catering to ghost. The fact that they are still thinking within a system that has been fundamentally corrupted is why they are doomed to failure.
“Modest”?
No, we have better language to use
Useless
Disingenuous
Paid actors
Servants to the ruling class
Inside traders
Purposefully weak
Blatantly dishonest
And the list could go on and on…
Controlled opposition.
Tell that to the NYT.
“Clever people say that once you become exactly like your opponent you will win elections!”
And even that wouldn’t work because this opponent would likely just move further right. Not sure there’s anywhere to go anymore, but they’d try.
The Nazis only got as far right as they could because they were stopped. It’s musical chairs for outgroups, everyone gets a turn being vermin eventually.
There’s no such thing as meeting Nazis in the middle. That’s called “becoming a Nazi”.
