

It is possible for religions to be factually wrong, or even morally wrong.


It is possible for religions to be factually wrong, or even morally wrong.


Ok, well converting someone to christianity is a dick move in itself.🙃


Marrying someone in the hopes that you will convert them is a dick move.


And theres no massive upheavel or challenges facing people now?


The democrats won the election before this one… to jump from that to it is impossible for them to win is a massive overreaction.


It is politics. Just some political beliefs are fucking evil.


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Or maybe it is a bad analogy, and the reason I don’t understand your position is that it doesn’t make sense.


Except an all knowing entity has absolutely no reason to run experiments. This is a bad analogy.


In your example the outcomes are different. What if the only difference was the actor who stopped the murder, would that still make a difference?
Eg: if i trip a murderer so they can’t kill the victim, vs if god causes a murderer to trip. Ia one of those violating free will and a other one not?


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That doesn’t make sense.
If i choose to murder someone i am impeding their free will.
If god chooses to save someone from murder, then it impedes the free will of the murderer.
Why is only one of those a problem?


Clearly civilised society cannot exist if Christians have any power over it.


Hey… no. These camps are incredibly harmful and traumatic to the survivors.
I urge you to seek out and listen to them describe the experiences in their own words.
Downplaying this as “lol, they’ll all just hook up and have a good time” is disgusting.


You have free will though…
Do people in prison no longer have free will, are they exempt from sin?


You’ve not explained how… why are some actions required to be permitted for free will but not others.
If will is what matters, what if someone was allowed to want to do evil things but not allowed to physically perform evil actions. Would that not suffice?


Why not?
Are not evil things a series of physical actions?


Thats not true.
I lack the ability to flap my arms and fly into the air.
Does that mean I lack free will?
Why is the ability to do evil required for free will, when so many other abilities are not?
Yes, absolutely. I would never deny that.
The day christianity dies out will be a happy day.