Donald Trump warned Tuesday that if the Democrats don’t approve funding, there are dangers to the future of Social Security and Medicare.

Trump said at a press conference that when he asked Democrats for feedback on the funding bills, one said, “It means death.”

“There’s nothing about death,” Trump said. “Theirs is death because they’re going to lose Medicaid, they’re going to lose Social Security, they’re going to lose Medicare, all of those things are going to be gone because the whole country would be bankrupt, and you’re not going to have any kind of medical insurance.”

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        At this point, it will rip the bandaid off and make desperate people come after Republicans. That’s the best possible outcome.

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          When one side tells truths and the other only lies, the side that lies controls the narrative. They’ll go after Democrats.

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            Republicans have always polled as responsible for every government shutdown in recent memory. Its doubtful that it will be any different this time, especially when the dems have stuck hard to the one issue of subsidies.

            The republicans can tell as many lies as they want, but this is one of the few circumstances where their lies cant override the lived experience of their supporters. They know their healthcare will evaporate or triple in cost. Even their dumbass voters know that their representatives are doing them dirty here

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        I have the same opinion as klammeraffe. America right now is not a good thing so im fine with it being shutdown.

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          No trolling. SS checks stopping might actually be the thing that wakes boomers up. Elections have consequences and they can all lie in the bed they made.

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          Once upon a time there were three Billy-Goats Gruff; Little Billy-Goat, Middle-Sized Billy Goat and Great Big Billy-Goat, who lived in a field in a green valley.

          They loved to eat sweet grass, but sadly their field was now brown and barren because they were greedy goats and they’d eaten every last blade of grass.

          But they were still hungry.

          In the distance, they could see a field that was full of lush sweet scrummy grass, but alas there was only one way to get to it – over a rickety bridge over a stream.

          But under the bridge lived a terrifically terrifying terrible troll called klammeraffe – he was always hungry too. And there was nothing he liked better than to eat a nice juicy billy-goat.

          The Little Billy-Goat was the first to reach the bridge. Gingerly, he put one hoof and then another onto the bridge.

          But because it was so rickety, however hard he tried, his hoof still went trip trap, trip trap on the wooden planks.

          Suddenly there was a huge roar.

          ‘Who’s that trip trapping over my bridge?’

          And out from under the bridge loomed the Troll.

          Quaking in his hooves, Little Billy-Goat Gruff managed to squeak, ‘It’s only me. I’m only going to look for some grass to eat.’

          ‘Oh no you’re not! I’m going to eat you for my breakfast, lunch and tea!’

          ‘Oh no!’ said terrified Little Billy-Goat Gruff. ‘I’m just Little Billy-Goat Gruff. Why don’t you wait for my brother? He’s bigger than me and much tastier.’

          So the greedy Troll decided to wait and Little Billy-Goat Gruff skipped over the bridge and began to eat the fresh green grass on the other side.

          The other goats saw Little Billy-Goat Gruff eating the fresh green grass and were jealous because they wanted some too.

          So Middle-Sized Billy-Goat Gruff went down to the bridge and began to cross the stream.

          Trip, trap, trip, trap went his middle-sized hooves. Again the Troll loomed out from under the bridge.

          ‘Who’s that trip trapping over my bridge?’ he roared.

          Quaking in his hooves, Middle-Sized Billy-Goat Gruff managed to say in his softest voice, ‘It’s only me. I’m following my brother, Little Billy-Goat Gruff, so I can eat the sweet grass.’

          ‘Oh no you’re not! I’m going to eat you for breakfast, lunch and tea!’

          ‘Oh no, Mr Troll, you wouldn’t want to eat me. I’m not big enough to fill you up. Wait until my big brother comes along – he’s much tastier than me.’

          ‘Oh all right,’ said the Troll and Middle-Sized Billy-Goat Gruff scampered over the bridge and began to eat the sweet green grass with Little Billy-Goat Gruff.

          Big bold Billy-Goat Gruff was jealous and couldn’t wait to get across the bridge and join his brothers.

          So boldly, he put his hooves onto the bridge.

          Trip, trap, trip, trap.

          Suddenly the Troll loomed out from under the bridge.

          ‘Who’s that trip trapping over my bridge?’ he boomed.

          ‘It’s me. Big Billy-Goat Gruff. Who do you think you are?’

          ‘I’m the Troll and I’m going to eat you for breakfast, lunch and tea!’

          ‘Oh no, you’re not!’

          ‘Oh yes I am – you’ll see!’

          Then the Troll rushed at Big Billy-Goat Gruff who bent his head and bravely charged at the Troll, catching him up in his horns and tossing him into the stream below.

          The Troll disappeared under the rushing water, never to be seen again.

          From then on, anyone could cross the bridge and enjoy the sweet green grass with the Three Billy-Goats Gruff.

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    He’s planning on getting rid of those anyway, so he can continue to fuck right off.

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      Same message Democrats communicated when people demanded a viable non-genocidal candidate who doesn’t thank Dick Chaney for his “service”, surrender or is your fault.

      The illusion that Democrats are fighting on your behalf is just that. Two sides of one fascist coin, only one side is rustier.

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        I don’t disagree that Democrats are problematic and have much to improve. But that “both sides” is some tart kool-aid to drink, to think that things would be the same or even worse had Trump lost. I’d like less rust, please. Also, that definition of fascist is a very broad and loose one if Harris falls into it. Must be the one that Trump used, where it’s combined with “communist”, “socialist”, and other words he has no understanding of.

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            No dude, I’m just not a fucking moron.

            I’ve got no interest in relitigating the election, I’m well aware of what she said regarding Israel.

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    Good! Without Social Security or Medicare we can afford TWO Golden Ballrooms!

    -Republicans LITERALLY on Social Security and MEDICARE!

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      While I like your joke, I think the reality is worse. Ballroom supposedly not funded by taxpayers but instead being build by “donations.”

      Just imagine what’s been promised…

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      .world censors again. I don’t see how “Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives” is “advocating for violence.”

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          It’s just a statement though. “Nothing will change until pharmaceutical companies get regulated” isn’t advocating for violence either.

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      Our votes were compromised and likely disregarded. I didn’t want Kamala but voted for her anyway and watched as a minority in my country got elevated and selectively amplified. Most of us did NOT vote for any of this and to imply that is woefully naive at best and downright disingenuous at worst. I’m literally working with folks to get ready to flee the fucking country because both my wife and I are trans and disabled and I studied 1918-1945 Europe enough to know what’s happening next.

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        The fact that even a million people voted for this guy is a testament to the rampant stupidity of the US. People in the US forget that even your “left” is a pretty pathetic showing to the point that they forget precisely how embarrassing it should be that even a handful of people voted for such an obvious goon. Trump ran on a platform befitting a crazed independent who might get a dozen votes and was TWICE voted in by the millions.

        The US DID vote for this because no amount of trickery aside from actually just taking the country by force should ever allow for an even moderately intelligent country to see such insanity given so much power. These people shouldn’t even be able to be placed on the political spectrum to be taken with any amount of seriousness and yet.

        I hate the US, but even moreso I hate all the people spending all this energy try to deflect blame. It’s got “not all men” energy and it’s fucking disgusting.

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        He represents you. He literally is the USA. But also I hope you get to safety outside the US. Come to Canada. We 💕🏳️‍⚧️

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          Trying to right now. It’s harder to claim asylum or flee than it might seem. It’s expensive and not guaranteed to even work. I’ve been in contact with underground railroad groups for that express purpose. Just wish it wasn’t so hard to do especially given both my spouse and I are trans and disabled.

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    No he won’t. EVERY Republican knows that if they end Social Security, every one of them will lose their next primary, and Dems will control Congress for decades.

    Following WWII, Dems controlled Congress for years, because Americans didn’t trust SS in the hands of Republicans. Eventually, even Republicans had to admit that it was untouchable.

    He won’t dare touch SS, or it will be the end of the Republican Party.

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      That is if they allow elections.

      Secure the military to stop coups. declare martial law hold mock elections

      There are working playbooks for this all over the world.

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      Nah, they’ll blame it on democrats and 30% will believe it. Which is also apparently the number you need to win a presidential election these days.

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      Nine months ago, I’d have said the same thing about Medicare, but here we are today with a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts coming, on top of the trillion in Medicaid. And MAGA seems super happy about it.

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        Oh man, any time I’m tempted to read some post on nextdoor because it might be nearby enough to care about, I mindlessly start checking comments. Within seconds, it is apparent that my only options are to close it immediately or to set myself up to despair over the state of society.

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        When I first started checking out Nextdoor occasionally (mainly looking for cheap used bicycles) I was hopeful that it was mostly just bots. Unfortunately I started seeing posts from people I actually know in real life, and I was reminded of why I (very happily) bailed on Facebork fifteen years ago.

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      I’d like you to be right, but things have changed a lot since WW2.

      For example, we have embraced the fascism that we previously fought.

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        And one of the things that has changed is that every working American of every political affiliation counts on their Social Security for their retirement. For many, it’s the only consistent savings they did for retirement. Take that away, and you will literally threaten their existence.

        Millions of pissed off old people, with nothing to lose, many with military experience, is not a good enemy to create.

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          Yeah but you’re assuming that those old people will blame the correct people rather than continue to swallow the propaganda and blame literally anyone else

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            It’s going to be really hard for Trump to abolish SS, and try to blame the Dems, who don’t control shit. Sure, there are the MAGA Super-Morons, but most people are going to see very clearly, especially when Dems are screaming that if they get voted in, they’ll restore SS.

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            I have an aunt slowly dying of kidney disease, living on just Social Security. She got hit hard by the Medicare cuts and it hasn’t affected her love for Trump in the slightest. My mom just got a text from her where she says she’s looking forward to meeting “Jesus and Charlie Kirk” lol.

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      “every one of them will lose their next primary, and Dems will control Congress for decades.”

      Your optimism is blinding. The Dems will control Congress for 2 years, maybe 4. 6 at the absolute maximum. Your average Republican can watch their loved ones die because of Republican policies and blame Democrats 2 years later.

      Also democrats won’t do anything to make structural change in the economy or wealth of the country, so even if given the reins of power, they will only succeed at not actively making life worse.

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        The litterally blamed Dems for talking about how bad COVID was gonna be, causing their oppositional-defiant toddler logic brains to reject common sense measures to prevent getting sick and dying.

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        I mean has the U.S. ever really had that? I recognise that things can get worse, but the U.S. democratic system has always looked like a joke to me.

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      There have been so many things in the last some years that should have been the end of the Republican party…

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      I don’t think Republicans are able to process any conherant thought since 2016. If they suddenly don’t have their Social Security payments, Trump will point at someone else and they’ll just drool and nod along with what their cult leader said.

      Plus how many rural dipshits were hurt by Trump in his first term and went for him again? How many are hurt by his even more expensive erosion of things and still think “This will be worth it, I just know the libs are more hurt by this.”

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      Cuz doubting he’d do something idiotic that he first says he won’t do, then jokes about, then says he might do and eventually says he will do, has been working out great for you guys so far…

      Maggots will believe whatever excuse he says after taking away all of their benefits.

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        I can already hear my mom, who’s on SSDI, blindly parroting “well maybe it’s a good thing they’re getting rid of it.”

        But we don’t speak anymore since she said the same about abortion, and she knows damn well queer rights are up next, and I’m queer.

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    If the country goes bankrupt I don’t have to pay taxes anymore. Then I could pay cash for my medical, and skip the insurance premiums. With the savings I could fund 10 people’s healthcare and still have a ton leftover to pay extra state taxes to have the federal roads maintained…

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    MAGA has been told, and believe, that the Ds are responsible for the shut-down. Telling them that the Rs control both the House and the Senate receives blank stares, or goes right past them. If we lose SS and Medicaid, they’ll still support the Rs.

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    No problem. Just as soon as you pay me back those taxes I’ve been paying my entire working life. If you don’t, things become difficult. And by “things” heh heh let’s just say… your ability to breathe on your own.

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    But republicans control every facet of government right now. They can easily end the shutdown right now.

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    How would social security be gone? It’s in a special trust fund that is seperate and apart from the government’s budget.