The decision issued October 7 by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey I. Cummings extends court oversight of the agency until February 2, 2026, and warns that officers who disregard the order could face contempt or criminal referral.
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Because police officers have qualified immunity.
This ruling only means something if SCOTUS upholds the arrest and conviction. It’s an improvement, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.
This ruling is important because it finally brings to the floor that it is not at a valid presumption that local cops cannot enforce the law on federal agents. In the last year, the narrative that “herpaderp supremacy clause means states and cities can’t do anything to enforce law on someone claiming to be a fed” has so normalized a totally unproven and unsupported extension of the supremacy clause that it’s become hard to even bring this up in municipal conversations.
Qualified immunity does not and never has protected anyone in law enforcement from arrest or prosecution for committing a crime. It protects law enforcement personnel from being sued over damages they cause during the course of their duties, provided that the execution of said duties did not violate anyone’s constitutional rights.
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Cool. Let’s start seeing some arrests of these motherfuckers.
If the cops perform the job as is typical, they’ll just yell “he’s got a gun” and shoot them.
You know, if it’s ICE on the receiving end instead of a random black guy I’m pretty happy with that improvement.
Start collecting evidence
Arrest them on sight because they’re imminently dangerous, organize the widely available evidence and bring charges after they’ve been secured in a cell
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Or, you know, we could think ICE and murder are both bad
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OMG.
Now playing OMG by Usher
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The. What?
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You got me, I’m a Russian-Chinese-Iranian-North Korean propaganda troll trying to destroy the currently thriving US democracy.
PS: I’m not sure which boot exactly you’re licking here, but don’t forget to give it a lick on your way out before it gets lonely.
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I’m married.
What? No one is talking to you. What’s your point?
When you decided to speak for “every single person”, it’s fair game.
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unlawful actions
Uhhh… those are called crimes.
I’m sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???
There’s a difference between an action that is part of the penal code that includes specific punishments, and actions that a government agency/worker does not have authority to perform. Some of these overlap, but not all
https://statedemocracy.law.wisc.edu/featured/2025/explainer-can-states-prosecute-federal-officials/
Only in practice. Federal officers have always been able to be arrested and tried for state crimes if they are unreasonably outside the scope of their official duties.
Uhhh… those are called crimes.
Sort of. In most places, they will be the same, but in legal terms for law enforcement, “unlawful” really means that it isn’t permitted by the law. The action might not be criminal, as in there is a law forbidding it. Again, in most places that means the actions are illegal, because of laws that criminalize the violation of a person’s civil rights, but that’s not always the case.
Yeah they were, and its not a big Surprise since they were made to be over the law
Supreme Court said Donald could not be arrested for committing crimes as president. I think we’re just a step away from them giving immunity to Donald’s personal police.
Still are.
Sure, the ruling says they CAN be arrested for doing illegal things. But are they going to be? Cop sees ICE beating down a brown person. Is the cop going to run over and arrest them?
Or will they assist ICE?
Depends on the city, and their leadership. Some cities have already directed their police specifically not to assist ICE. Not a huge jump from there to “treat them like a regular civilian”.
Many cities were doing this from the beginning. Whenever you read the term “sanctuary cities” it was really just a promise not to help.
Local police are not allowed to assist federal agencies enforce their policies unless it is a crime locally. You can even argue this prevents turf wars and conflicts of authority. States rights y’all
Local prisons are not allowed to detain people that have not been legally convicted of something that is a crime locally. You can argue this protects state resources being exploited by unfunded federal mandates. States rights y’all
But no, it’s a YUGE jump to actively interfere, even if it is to enforce laws against federal agents.
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Yep, thats a gang based on hate who obscure their members. Seems like something the national guard should be called in for.
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Probably not.
Most cops, like most humans, don’t particularly want to die.
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They said, comfortably at their keyboard in the A/C, via a device ostensibly constructed due to authoritarian regimes forcing brutal conditions on their workers.
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I’m sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???
Police, by default, are thanks to Qualified Immunity. It takes a judge and a shit ton of evidence to waive that inherent protection. Even for situations where the officers were violating constitutional and statutory rights, and even someone with a severe mental handicap would know clearly that those actions were illegal.
No, technically they’re not. Cops could always be arrested for unlawful actions. And “qualified immunity” includes the word “qualified”.
This is Just like the the literal/figurative debacle: for some reason people are good with redefining a word as it’s opposite. literal now means figurative. “Qualified” now means “complete”
This is a start because it declares federal agents are the same, but as long as qualified immunity means complete immunity it’s only limited help in restoring law
Qualified Immunity is such bullshit.
Crimes are one type of unlawful act.
Civil torts are the other.
Historically, Civil Rights Act lawsuits were some of the more potent tools against corrupt police. Obviously that’s going to be different under Trump.
Now do cops
Cops are already held liable for crimes.
You realize this is the exception in the US, not the rule, right?
Well, if a cop didn’t have qualified immunity, then the assault and kidnapping required to effectuate an arrest would make arrests impossible. I mean, an arrest is an assault. Cops physically restran the person with handcuffs. It is a kidnapping because cops are taking taking the arrestee against their will.
The issue isn’t qualified immunity in general, it’s the courts unwillingness to actually enforce its disqualification when there is clear evidence, even evidence cited in other trials in some cases.
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No need to apologize, comrade. We’re here to learn from each other.
The problem isn’t the concept of qualified immunity, it’s the implementation and application.
We’ve investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong!
I’m sure the racist pigs will get right on arresting the racist pigs
After getting pepper sprayed by the ice gestapo they just might lol
Different enforcement agency, Marshalls really really like breaking down cops doors and weirdly enough most agencies like the good pr that brings.
Turf wars are a thing with law enforcement agencies.
Not even just agencies. I used to live in a small town whose PD was in a feud with the PD of the next town over. It was hilarious (in a sad way) how they would keep busting each other for DUI in each other’s towns.
Honestly, government agencies holding each other accountable by jealously guarding their own powers and independence to operate is how a government of checks and balances SHOULD operate.
It’s when those proverbial small town cops start teaming up and refusing to hold each other accountable that the public needs to start worrying. For the US, that point is about 25-30 years ago though.
Citizen arrests are going to get messy.
What does it mean for cops to arrest paramilitary?
It sounds like it will be many contests: who can shout louder and bring more guns to bear? Who gets confused first, who gets shot first?
It’s a bunch of barely trained cops who can hardly handle policing armed citizens and now they’re gonna handle ICE? They’ll need to be careful and deliberate.
It’s not like the goobers ice is deploying are well trained.
No, and that’s so much worse, because ICE is armed and feels like they have the mandate for violence backed by the president.
This should have never been a debate.
sadly it must, all us police are legally above the law already.
ICE agents deserve it.
We need militias to conduct citizen’s arrests on these anti-constitution traitors.
We need militias to arrest the anti-constitition traitors who are sending them.
I think there was like a whole amendment or something about that. Whatever, uh I guess back to Netflix.
