Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.
Lifelong anti-gun libtard here.
I’ve been doing my research and talking to friends with guns so I can begin the process of arming myself.
Fascism is here and I passed my history classes. I know where this is going. It’s time to make sure you, and everyone you know, is armed to the teeth.
If things keep escalating, which they will, because that’s what fascists do, then there will come a day when they attempt to prevent anyone who registered/voted Democrat from purchasing firearms.
Buy them. Now.
Never voted for any Republican anything my entire life. Have been buying guns for myself and my family for over a decade.
Please share your viewpoint with those in your circle of influence, as we will need more of this going forward.
Also, don’t just buy a pistol. Buy a shotgun and a rifle.
Be safe.
Why, oh, why?
I support this
Also leftists. Also rightists.
So, basically, people from every political background are buying guns.
The warmongers win again.
While the pacifists did jack shit to stop this.
Um…they’re pacifists? Maybe you mean a different word?
I think they’re blaming pacifists for not being violent
Zapp: I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
It’s starting.
Don’t be a fool. Everyone in America has guns or access to them. It’s trivial to buy one and many on the left own them all the same as anyone else.
Thats a nice lie that left/center leaning people keep telling themselves.
The reality is that republicans by far have a higher percentage of gun owners.
If there were a fight that started today, there would be a sweep.
Then you have to remember that every force of violence in the US, LEOs, all branches of military, all support trump.
No, the difference is, you believe all the bullshit. And I’m wise enough not to.
I’m not sure you can even vocalize what you’re trying to say here.
The facts are just not in your favour.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Key excerpt:
45% of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they personally own a gun, compared with 20% of Democrats and Democratic leaners.
You’ll find that all available information says similar.
Republicans have a much higher percentage of gun ownership than democrats.
It’s not just that they own more guns per individual. They have more individuals with guns.
I’m pretty sure what they are saying is that they don’t believe a civil war (or similar) is starting.
There are millions of people in the US - if there was really an appetite for mass violence in the populace, it would’ve already revealed itself.
Accept that we are relatively peaceful in modern times and rethink your beliefs. Not many are willing to shoot their neighbor and contribute to the destruction of society because of the theater playing out in our government, politics, and media.
Here’s a hypothetical for you to digest:
Would even the people deepest in the MAGA movement want their children to exist in a world where they aren’t safe due to political violence and civil war? Could they reasonably protect them in such a reality?
Interesting that you think illegal kidnapping, unabated corruption, and disassembly of government institutions is theater.
I can say safely that it’s set in the context of theater with all the propaganda flying around, but there are real things happening through carefully crafted circumstances and framing. If you understood my intentions you would realize what I really meant instead of smearing me.
There are millions of people in the US - if there was really an appetite for mass violence in the populace, it would’ve already revealed itself.
This is insane logic to me when the president is clearly gearing up to do violence against the people, and the violent rhetoric is at an all time high.
“it hasn’t happened yet, so it wont happen despite all the signs saying it will” is such a bad take its unimaginably bad.
Accept that we are relatively peaceful in modern times and rethink your beliefs.
There are literally multiple genocides happening right now. There are literally people being disappeared off the streets with no trials, identification and we don’t know where they are ending up.
This is just an insane take.
They fucking stormed the capital!
Would even the people deepest in the MAGA movement want their children to exist in a world where they aren’t safe due to political violence and civil war?
Yes??? Are you not hearing these people. Holy fuck.
This is a new level of sticking ones head in the sand.
Could they reasonably protect them in such a reality?
No, but they value hate above incredible personal sacrifice, hence their voting choices.
This is insane logic to me when the president is clearly gearing up to do violence against the people, and the violent rhetoric is at an all time high.
And yet he hasn’t been able to - because despite all the propaganda, he can’t justify it to his base. They have to resort to playing old protest footage and making up easily disprovable lies to rile people up - does that not read as desperate to you?
People are not taking the bait on either side. Stop acting like he (and the people influencing him) already won. They haven’t, and they won’t.
There are literally multiple genocides happening right now.
Despite the world population exploding, there has historically been much worse happening - and at much greater scales.
There are literally people being disappeared off the streets with no trials, identification and we don’t know where they are ending up.
Which unfortunately isn’t an entirely new occurrence if you look it up. These people have been living here and working here in massive amounts, and they have always lived under the threat of deportation, discrimination, and living as modern slaves - with very little recourse.
Under this administration, it’s certainly much more well-funded, it’s much more chaotic, it’s much more performative in the way it’s being done, and people being denied due process and getting shipped away to death camps and countries they’ve never been to is obviously extremely concerning and is not a positive trajectory (and is not performative, it’s very real).
It’s not an indicator that there is a civil war on the horizon though.
They fucking stormed the capital!
Everybody was free to do something tangible about that, including the people who held power after that event.
Yes??? Are you not hearing these people. Holy fuck.
No, you are hearing the most vocal and insane examples through social media and other forms of media. Most people are not violent, believing others need to be shot because their politics differ. People are densely packed in with each other and nobody has fortresses besides the very rich. A civil war is not sustainable anywhere here in the US.
No, but they value hate above incredible personal sacrifice, hence their voting choices.
They are being manipulated into believing this is a matter of survival. They are led to believe that they are 1) voting in their best interest 2) that if they vote differently, people will take what they earned and worked hard for 3) that the other side is demonic, woke, and ineffectual. Hate doesn’t factor into the equation for most of these people.
The world is a different place outside of social media and partisan media. Ground yourself, considering connecting with your community by attending an event or group or potentially volunteering your time, and understand that things are not always exactly how they are presented by those that literally thrive on our attention.
77 million people voted for Trump. There are over 340 million people in the US. Let that sink in and please consider reevaluating your beliefs.
Proclaiming Matthew 25 would diffuse a large part of what is going on - that’s how much of a house of cards this all is.
Then you have to remember that every force of violence in the US, LEOs, all branches of military, all support trump.
So, what kind of gun can I buy that will let me defend myself from a tyrannical reaper drone?
Or maybe planning to fight your enemy where he is strongest is fucking dumb?
If the full force of the FBI, military, and local law enforcement turns against the citizenry the citizenry is cooked.
Hopefully our fellow citizens will balk at killing their neighbors, but if they don’t, shotguns and handguns are only useful to increase the cost of enforcement on the gestapo.
They didn’t balk when their neighbors were being rounded up by the new gestapo and shipped off to extra-national slave prison camps.
Hope springs eternal. Preparations should be made for darker futures.
A gun does not defend you from a drone. It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.
The point later in the comment is about what happens if the government fully turns in the citizens. Protecting yourself is midway to that.
You basically can’t let it get that far or you’re just cooked.
It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.
No, it doesn’t defend you. At best, it will give you a chance to shoot back. Statistically speaking, the person you are most likely to use a gun on is yourself, second most likely victim of your gun is your spouse.
That’s nice, but those statistics are from a different time with a different threat profile.
We are long done with pretending we’re living in a reasonable society.
Actually, about 27,000 people in the US committed suicide by gun last year, compared to 16,000 non-suicide gun deaths, and apparently the gun suicide to gun deaths ratio actually went up from 2023.
Like 40% of American households own guns. Most gun owners just own multiple. Leftist should either arm themselves in preparation or be prepared to be trampled on.
I fervently hate Trump, his cronies, and his supporters. However, buying guns is a laughable response to a serious threat.
Maybe you buy a 9mm. Maybe you buy an AR15. The US government has stealth fucking bombers. Tanks. Fighter jets. Satellites. ICBMs. Your pea-shooter is fucking useless against a government that has decided its own people are the enemy. Trump is in the midst of authorizing the military to fire on civilians. Do you think he is going to specify that they use commercially-available firearms just to keep things fair?
You know what is not useless? General strikes. Civil disobedience. Protests. Boycotts. Journalism. Do you want to hurt Trump? Sell your stocks before the bubble bursts. Don’t shop. Cancel your phone and read a newspaper. Call in sick. Organize. Collaborate. Help each other. Bring the economy to a screeching halt and the billionaires who put Trump in the white house will put his ashes in a shoebox in about 10 days.
Most soldiers have no desire to fight Americans. Also the military cannot function very well without a population supporting it. There is also advantages the people have. Like being hard to find, not costing a million dollars to deploy, not being predominantly 18-20 year olds, having much more tactical flexibility. Bombers and tanks don’t mean much outside of a conventional war.
I think you also have to consider the uptick in right wing terrorism, like people driving cars into protests or showing up with guns to intimidate communities. Being armed is a way to protect yourself and your community from threats beyond the government
The plan is never armed warfare on equal terms against the full might of the national military. It’s for Proud Boys, the Klan, Zimmerman and Rittenhouse, countless other real threats that want to see Democrats and minorities dead. It’s for the implicit threat that keeps right-wing authorities from pushing too hard.
The groups you mentioned have the implicit backing of your government. In some cases these people were pardoned by Trump himself for their various crimes. Trump is the real problem. The klan and the proud boys are gonna keep coming as long as Trump is in power. Small arms can’t fix Trump.
Also, i think you have it backwards: the implicit threat of gun-toting progressives is not going to keep the authorities at bay - it will be the excuse Trump uses to escalate. He is going to escalate anyway - I understand that - but it is harder for him to order the army to shoot a guy in a frog costume than to shoot somebody who just killed an ICE agent.
I feel like i need to emphasize that i really fucking despise MAGA. There will be a party at my house when decent Americans turn on Trump and put him in the ground. I just think that small arms fire is going to prove ineffective.
A civilian populous that already has small arms and some ammo, will make the opening stages of a war less difficult for the side that is willing to engage with them in hand, and bring their arms into military service.
Even now, your standard gun is very valuable in the Ukrainian defense against Russia. A rifle or shotgun is useful for taking and holding ground. An artillery battery is good for blowing shit up, but it can’t take land nor interact with people that goes in a way beyond pure destruction. An armed soldier can keep bread lines in good order, prevent sabotage, scout, build fortifications, escort armor, and many more unremarkable but key functions.
On top of that, fancy gear requires severe logistic chains. A civil war in America would shatter many links. Further, the military isn’t a hive mind, many experts on both sides will go their separate ways, which inherently means that many difficulties with deploying complicated items will become much greater. A rifleman is relatively simple to train and field, while a tank or aircraft requires many manhours to train and maintain.
I recommend watching the German War Files regarding Germany’s military vehicles in WW2. Many of the issues you see there, still apply to the modern world.
Someone should have told the Vietnamese that their guns were useless back in the 1960s. The USA had bombers, tanks, fighter jets, satellites, etc. I bet if someone would have let the Vietnamese know that their guns were useless they wouldn’t have won that whole war.
I accept your point. An insurgency can drag on for decades. Look at afghanistan for a more recent example: all that time, money, and materiel wasted for the Taliban to pop back up the instant US troops left.
Maybe progressives could drag out an insurgency long enough that MAGA will give up and hand power back to the people. Trump and his gang would have to flee the country, but i suppose it could happen. American troops had somewhere else to go: back home. Where will Trump’s millions of supporters go? I don’t think the people who pledged their lives to avenging St. Charlie have anywhere else to live.
In the meantime, though, there will be purges, bombings, terrorism, secret police, torture, surveillance, massacres, etc. The vietnamese people had to endure unbelievable horrors before they drove out the Americans. Trump has bragged, though, that if he had been in charge, the vietnam war would have ended in US victory. I wonder what he had in mind: death camps? nuclear weapons?
The responses i have had so far have not addressed the second part of my argument: that strikes, protests, and civil disobedience can be wickedly effective. Trump’s friends are making money like crazy right now - that is, some of them. The farmers hit by his tariffs? They’re mad. The ranchers who are about to see their market flooded with Argentine beef? They’re mad too. That is Trump’s greatest weakness. He promised the ultra-rich that his presidency would make them even richer. If they start to think that Trump is costing them money, his ass is grass.
I’ve decided on a shotgun. With buckshot you don’t have to aim, you get multiple shots, it’s inexpensive and you can hit multiple targets in unarmored areas. It’s just for home defense, I’m not sure if we should be carrying outside. We have to be careful though, life is worth saving not shooting.
You should’ve gone with the Zodiac method.
Pistol and a flashlight in a supportive grip. When you do it right, the “dark spot” at the center of your flashlight beam is your general point of aim. Once you build that muscle memory, it’s better than a crosshair on a TV screen.
Just a heads up, the whole “you don’t have to aim” is a complete myth. Shotgun spread is completely blown out of proportion. It’s somewhere around 0.5" to 1" per yard with barrel length, choke, and shot type affecting spread. Unless you’re insanely rich and live in a mansion, you’d be within 10 yards so you’d only get 5" to 10" of spread which really isn’t much especially since the pellets may not be evenly distributed within that diameter.
For anyone looking to buy a gun, educate yourself first to know what you’re getting into and go to the range consistently so you know how to use it. If you don’t do both of those, you’d be at risk of hurting yourself or someone else if ever you have to use it in a life or death situation.
Second this. Unless you’re sawing the barrel to a third, it doesn’t actually work how youd think if you never used a real shotgun.
In reality the best things about shotguns in self defence are that if you miss, you probably dont kill your neighbor. The bad part is there is very little penetration on pellets for any armored target.
You could also just use slugs which do work great for self defense, but can easily kill your neighbor.
I appreciate your feedback. I’ll think about it. Ar-15 was my other choice. If it was legal id buy a rocket launcher and just blow the whole house up because at that point fuck it…
SupraMario is right about getting an ar15. Lots of time and effort went into creating a great system with a well thought out set of compromises. From magazine capacity to parts availability to ergonomics, it’s a really solid system and I highly encourage people who can to own one per person in your household.
AR15 is easy to shoot and aim. It’s also low recoil and weight. People should get them for home defense before getting a shotgun, you’re more likely to miss with a shotgun than an AR
Unless you plan to carry concealed or get a concealed carry license skip the pistol for your first gun.
If you want something for home defense that sits by the bed get a 20-gauge pump shotgun. I’ve never met anyone man woman or child that couldn’t shoot one and #3 or #4 buckshot is hard to miss with within 20 or 30 yards. You can go to almost any sporting goods store and pick one up for about $250. I like the Maverick 88.
If you want something to hunt with or just have in case of “troubles” get yourself a decent bolt-action rifle with a 3x9 scope in a popular caliber such as 308 or 270. Rifles are easier to shoot and you can use them for hunting. Once you shoot the rifle a few times and are comfortable with it you can put it away for those “troubles.”
If the US gets ripe enough you need to stack bodies you are going to want a rifle more than a pistol and if you have a shotgun or a rifle you can pick up a pistol, there will be plenty on those bodies you are stacking.
That’s my extremely qualified opinion, but with that said opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Good luck out there, be safe.
I disagree on a shotgun for HD, pistols are more manueverable, easier to go through doorways, and harder to disarm. The only caveat is normal pistol rounds will over penetrate furthet than bird shot, but other types of shot can over penetrate as much as 9mm. 5.56 rounds actually overpentrate less than 9mm and some people use AR pistols, or full sized ARs, for HD because of this. You don’t want bullets flying through walls you can’t see through, and Id highly recommend agaist anything pump action especially for someone who isnt going to practice cycling the weapon.
This! The over penetration is why Shotgun is better especially for more dense areas such as apartments.
For most people a shotgun for HD is the way to go.
For someone that knows a thing or two, I agree with you… pistol or SBR… I just don’t think that’s most people.
Most people who buy shotguns are gonna end up with a pump shotgun and that’s a big downside for anyone whos not practicing cycling the weapon because in terms of stopping power follow up shots outclass bigger bullet every time. A pump action is setting up beginners to fail at following up more than any other common HD weapon. Most semi auto shotguns cost at least double what pumps do and are more expensive than comprable pistols and even solid budget rifles. I stand by my recommendations, if someone really wants a shotgun and they’re new, insist on a semi auto, but that’s the minority.
I bought my first gun, a shotgun, two month ago for home defense. I also got some of these home defense rounds, it looks like little plates stacked up inside the shell. I guess they aren’t supposed to penatrate drywall, so they are safer to use inside a house to reduce accidental or unintentional injuries.
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If you have the money just get an AR 15. There is a reason it’s so popular.
There could be a world ending apocalypse and you’ll still find parts and ammo. And it’s an incredibly well rounded platform that’s pretty easy to use.
5.56 rounds over penetrates less than 9mm and less than many different shot shells too. I like HD 9mm rounds but the AR platform for home defense is a smart choice.
And I’m not saying it’s ideal, but you’ll still take a deer down in some insane scenario where you’re hunting for food.
Ive heard even 9mm higher pressure rounds through a carbine length barrel can stop some bears. Im not saying I’d trust it to be my first choice in that situation but I’d wager if you get good enough with 5.56 there’s not much you wouldn’t be able to stop with a couple follow up shots or hunt with a good first shot.
you think a 12 gauge is going to be harder to find parts and ammo for?
Ignoring that a shotgun isnt nearly as useful and will rounded, yes, shotguns in general are not as ubiquitous or popular.
In 2021, 21,037,810 total firearms were available for the U.S. market, which includes firearms that were domestically produced plus those imported—minus exported firearms. Of those, 12,799,067 were handguns, 4,832,198 were rifles and 3,406,545 were shotguns.
I mean that is great but im betting a large majority of shotguns are 12 gauge and use very similar parts and a less percentage of rifles are ar15. Also shotguns are about the simplest gun designs.
You’re ignoring usecase, and the fact that even according to your facts, they’re super popular.
Also, the US Military used 5.56 ammo, so if things really go down, you know there’s a supply. Fair note: you can shoot 2.23 ammo with a 5.56 rifle, but you don’t want to put 5.56 in a 2.23.
.223 or 223
2.23 is not a thing 5.56 is the metric measurement of .224 diameter bullets which are used in both 5.56x45mm and .223.
To go deeper, a civilian .223 Remington is almost identical to the military 5.56x45mm. Both use a bullet diameter of .224 and a weight between 40 grains and 77 grains. The differences without getting super technical are in SAAMI pressures. A .223 Remington cartridge produces less pressure than the military 5.56x45mm. You can shoot both out of a rifle marked 5.56x55mm or .223 Wylde but it is not recommended that you shoot 5.56x45mm in a rifle marked .223 Remington.
.223 Remington (SAAMI MAP): 55,000 psi (≈379.2 MPa) maximum average pressure (piezo).
5.56×45 mm NATO (NATO/EPVAT service pressure): ≈ 62,366 psi (≈ 430 MPa) service pressure (piezo).
Since we’re having fun, the other difference between .223 and 5.56 is the throat length, with 5.56 being longer. Wylde not only supports the higher pressure, but also splits the difference in the chamber to account for the difference in throats.
I.e., a .223 Wylde chamber has a longer throat than a .223 Remington chamber, but a shorter one than a 5.56 NATO chamber, which allows it to accurately fire both .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO ammunition.
I’ve been told shooting .223 in a 5.56 will wear out the chamber faster… but haven’t exactly tested that.
i dunno, i just call the cops but mabye thats just me.
You’re very fortunate. I live in a place in the US where it’s a toss up on whether the cops will even show up. I’ve called an ambulance for it to never show up before. Unfortunately we’re on our own and have to take matters into our own hands if we expect to survive. Guns are a plague but there’s not much that can be done at this point. We must protect our families.
Following up on your comment, there’s plenty of places in the US where you don’t call the cops as a non-white person at all; since the cops have gone out and shot the brown person that called them… since you know, the cops commonly assume the brown person is the perpetrator.
So then you get to deal with armed fascist thugs in addition to whatever problem you were trying to solve by calling the cops. And guess what, if a fascist attacks you and you call the cops, you’re likely calling their buddies, who won’t be happy with you. At least, in my experience in the US.
Clearly, you are not in the US.
why, is there no cops in the US?
Big difference between having cops, and having cops that you can trust to protect you.
Also, even if for argument’s sake we assume that the police will act in your best interest when they show up, not everyone lives in a large city where you’re never more than five minutes away from a cop. The US is huge, and the vast majority of it is rural and isolated. If you live in one of those places help from police might be hours away rather than minutes. You’re on your own until they show up. If they show up at all.
Because they almost always make the situation worse.
Cops in the US are a whole different breed of fucked up
But what if I’m not feeling suicidal?
i dont know what that has to do with cops
Because in numerous cases, the cops have attacked the victims when responding to a call. If you are a minority it’s even more likely. Combine that with a white attacker, even more likely.
oh never seen that before that much, ive seen some cops do some stupid shit, but it doesnt seem like a widespread issue.
Are you familiar with the expression “[the thin blue line](Are you familiar with the expression “the thin blue line” and mindset that it reinforces?)” and the mindset that it reinforces?
Are you familiar with the “warrior” training so many police go through, where they are trained to see threats from everywhere and to prioritize their own lives above others?
Are you aware that, legally, cops aren’t obligated to protect you if you aren’t in their custody?
Did you see the footage from the Uvalde school shooting?
All of these combine together to result in so many instances of police escalating tense situations instead of de-escalating those situations. It results in police shooting innocent people because they thought they saw a gun. Like I said, if you are a minority things tend to be much worse. You’re likely guilty of something in their eyes, even if the cop is a minority.
And that’s what makes it clear you’re not American.
Fun way to tell everyone that you’re white, or not living in America.
actually im southern Italian/Lebanese so my skin is tanned and have been in trouble with the police before. Stop making everything about race.
Oh, so there was a comma in my comment. My assumption was right.
When seconds count, the cops are minutes away. You do you though and good luck.
When I thought about buying a shotgun I looked into rock salt and other non lethal ammo, it turns out it’s illegal to load shells with rock salt. Hard to believe
Wait you’re telling me the salt shotgun of Scrooge McDuck is real?
Yeah, https://www.bullseye-cartridge.com/12ga-2-3-4-rock-salt-5-pack.html it’s ammunition not the gun exactly, but it’s kinda the OG old school less than lethal round.
I got shot with salt by a farmer when I was a kid. It’s definitely real and scroogy old bastards seem to like it.
Because you shouldn’t use a gun unless deadly force is warranted.
You can use a shotgun loaded only with rock salt even when deadly force is warranted. You can also not use a gun at all in situations that would allow deadly force. Not everybody wants to kill someone.
That’s not very american of you. You have to be ready to shoot and kill anyone apparently
If you go through a defensive carry class you’d almost certainly be discouraged from doing that by the instructor for multiple reasons:
First is that all ammo can be lethal, even blanks. So if you’re not willing to kill to protect your own life, that may cause it anyway. On the flip side, a prosecutor will argue that if lethal ammunition wasn’t required, then use of a gun wasn’t necessary and you’ve not only broken firearm discharge laws (in place where most people live), but are also guilty of assault with a weapon with intent to kill or maim.
Firing a gun in self-defense is only warranted if nonlethal means are insufficient. If you try using less-lethal ammo and it doesn’t stop your attacker, you’re killed or seriously injured. If you try using less-lethal ammo and it does stop your attacker, you’re still screwed by the legal system (possibly except under some “stand your ground” laws).
What about less than lethal ammunition, like rubber bullets that cops get to use on protesters?
It’s less-lethal, not nonlethal. Even blanks can be deadly. A gun should only be pointed at something you’re willing to destroy.
Cops are not held to as high of standards as everyone else. This should not come as a great revelation.
Welcome to America the only country where you have to worry about your toddler shooting you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-unintentional-shooting-toddler-mother/
https://abc7.com/post/gun-safety-pregnant-woman-shot-norwalk-ohio-norkwalk-news/13410862/
For added bonus soo many guns even your dog will shoot you.
The gun lobby must be excited about this headline, we just need a few more gun sales to make us safe!
I never worried about my toddler shooting me, because I kept my guns in a safe.
You know how many people have loaded guns in their house. How many people that have a rifle leaning up against the wall by their door or a loaded handgun underneath their pillow.
This is an epidemic of death, but sure you are “safe”. That is why almost everyone knows someone who has died needlessly from gun violence.
Which is why it’s a good idea keep them in a safe instead, yes.
I totally agree you should be safe with a safe, but that is not what is happening soo?
So, people should be more responsible with their firearms. Like the user you replied to is.
It is the number one killer of children now. Clearly your best thoughts and wishes aren’t working. Over a million Americans are dead in the last twenty years and all you can say is be safe?
And what’s your solution?
Door-to-door gun confiscation? That’s not a policy, it’s a declaration of war. Do you wanna be the one going around to every redneck’s house saying, “Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to take your guns away?” And if you start a war, who do you think is gonna win: the side with guns or the side without?
Banning gun sales? Too late, they’re already too widespread. The only thing that does is lock in the current situation, where the right has guns and the left (mostly) doesn’t.
If I’m stuck in an elevator with a Nazi, best case I have a gun and he doesn’t. Next is neither of us have guns. Next is we both have guns. And worst is he has a gun and I don’t. That’s where we’re at right now. If a right-winger with 5 guns can’t buy a 6th, it doesn’t matter, but if a leftist with zero guns can’t buy one it does.
Of course, both of those options go directly against the constitution and would be impossible to implement without an impossible supermajority or stacking the Court. And if you violate procedure you delegitimize the government, which is kind of important if you’re planning to fight a civil war.
So what’s left? Ineffectual, half-assed solutions that accomplish nothing other than pissing people off and make them panic-buy more guns.
Go ahead, walk me through what you want and how you’d go about it. I’m all ears.
there are already more firearms than people in the US.
but yeah, more guns… yay.
Ah the illusion of safety.
Too few, too little, too late.
I hope not, but I think a lot of them are still living with the fear of yesteryear that has not updated with the times and the threat of their neighbors having it in for them, and not being as worried about the legal repercussions.
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Up until very recently, most of the deaths in wars were caused by disease instead of combat.
Give it a few months and the anti-vax stances paired with colloidal silver and horse-dewormer will leave plenty of guns and ammo for everyone.
The destruction of our healthcare infrastructure will accelerate this.
“To defend themselves.”
Fuckin’ hell.
Try again.
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That account is a fascist enabler that just spreads FUD
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Yeah, how dare I point out that Americans are sleepwalking into their country’s final few years.
That’s not what you are doing and you know it. Fascist enabler. Have fun licking the boot in your country once you have helped them take us over.
“I’ve tried nothing and have already given up.” Excellent work.
Go play in traffic. I’ve done more than you, including calling out fascist collaborators such as yourself.
Yeah, I’m sure the snarky sign you took to the parade was excellent.
Liberals, LGBTQ, whoever else was mentioned in this headline should have been training with guns for years at this point. The writing has been on the wall for a while.
I was anti-gun until I was 37. That’s when I realized it doesn’t matter about my political viewpoint regarding guns, the right has been using it as leverage for my entire life.
I’m 42 now. I got my first rifle when I was 38. I got my first shotgun when I was 39. I got my first pistol when I was 40. I go bi-weekly to the range.
The writer of the article should try harder to not confuse “interest” with preparation. This shit is an unwelcome use of my free time, but I’m probably a better shot than 90% of MAGA at this point.
As someone who used to create judgemental use of force firearm training simulators for law enforcement, I can tell you right now you’re likely a better shot than 90% of our police force too.
Yikes, that makes me feel uneasy. Do they not train on a regular basis?
…they do if you can believe it.
I thought they did too, that’s why I’m not so sure that I’m the better shot. I was thinking that I’m maybe on par with someone else that trains regularly.
Just following up from my previous answer: MOST officers only need to pass training on use of firearms once a year. It does vary per department, and some officers use their access to training and ranges to hone their skills. But MOST of them only follow the guidelines, and most guidelines only require recertifying firearm use once a year.
By policy, it’s different per police organization. But overwhelmingly the biggest orgs only force training once a year. And the metrics they use to pass for accuracy and use are lower than most concealed carry courses.
The writing has been on the wall for a while
I saw this coming when the tea party appeared. Moved my wife and daughters out of the US in 2015 for precisely this reason. When I lived there I owned a rifle and a shotgun, not because I thought I’d need to defend myself against criminals or immigrants, but because I thought there was a pretty good chance I’d have to defend myself against right wingers.
Concur, I saw it back then too. I wanted to leave but didn’t have the financial resources to do so at the time. Now that I have the resources, I’m too old for most places. The way I see it now is that I’m pretty much just hanging around so that my parents don’t have to outlive their children. I bought my rifle and shotgun for the same reason you had yours. I’ve been hearing threats from the right AT LEAST since the 1990s. It’s always been threats…
We are lucky. I’m Australian and lived in the US from 2005 to 2015, so it was easy for us to move. I think what really tipped my wife over the edge was going to watch our daughter’s kindergarten class Christmas concert on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting. That was the most surreal experience of my life, just typing it now still chokes me up a bit. It’s fucking sad, because there was a lot that I loved about the states.
oh you Americans and your 2nd amendment shit. I’m so glad we don’t have that here.
For real, these American gun apologist have shit for brains.
IRL America feels like a parody of GTA America
Idiocracy
