Star Wars has always been immensely overrated since the very first movie. I think those 9 movies are all the same. They are fun to watch, nothing more and nothing less. The animated tv shows are for kids, yet some adults are heavily invested in them. It’s on par with bronies.
I have watched every single Star Wars movie in theatres since I was a kid and they released the special editions in theatres. But last Jedi was so bad that I didn’t even bother to go see rise of skywalker. Not just in theatres, i still haven’t watched it to this day.
Same here
You’re not missing out, in my opinion it was not a good movie in any sense.
I thought the first movie of the new trilogy was actually pretty good though.
There are valid criticisms of it but it was all around a solid start to the next chapter of the franchise.
Then the last Jedi happened. Fuck that. And then whatever the rise of skywalker is. Oh emperor palpatine is alive again for no reason at all, woo.
If they’d have just kept the expanded universe canon and moved forward with that then everything would have been fine. But no. Let’s have an aggressive needlessly secretive admiral lady ram a starship, because “believe women” somehow also means “women are incapable of lying” or whatever the fuck the point of that idiocy was.
It’s just so fucking bad.
I used to do a little camera work. #7 has my favorite shot/camera angle of the entire franchise. they told a lot of that story visually.
Well, someone had to since the script writers didn’t.
That’s a new take I can appreciate. Thanks actually
People disagree on this often. I thought 7-8-9 was shit. However 8 was a special kind of shit. I think half of the movie was really good. The other half of it, was absolute dogshit. At least it wasn’t a “'memba” fest like 7 and 9. It tried to do original stuff, but it fucked up royally on the pursuit / canto arcs. And I’m not even talking about the hyperspace ramming.
However the Luke + Rey + Kylo arcs were genius. People hate it for the old man drinking aliencowtitjuice and being a bitter old man and for his sacrifice, but it’s actually very characteristic of him. And the mystery of Rey’s past and her connection with Kylo is very well done and explores things never seen before.
I wonder what the story behind this is. And whether Johnson had to make concessions for Disney.
If that is what is characteristic of Luke Skywalker, then they certainly changed the character and the fan page is it is appropriate.
Throwing out the Literary Extended Universe, but kinda of sort of keeping elements of it is what has made it so bad.
There were really important things that happened in the world in the LEU. Which continues establishing who the characters and the world of Star wars.
It’s should be no surprise the fan base is so divided. If you have only seen that Han Shot First that gives you a very different perspective on Han Solo. If you have read about Mara Jade, or C’Boath, Grand Admiral Thrawn, the Katana Fleet then having their names spoken in the cinematic universe gives you a very different vision of what’s going on on screen because you have a or existing understanding that you can’t just forget about us they don’t actually explain who those people are in the on screen version of them.
Lucas never should have licenced stories that were not going to be okay if the cannon, then go ahead and steal the names of those non canon characters or events if he didn’t want to fracture the fanbase. But they did and now it’s a mess.
That being said there is now opportunity to do Star wars legends movies since they already disassociated those stories from canonical Star wars, which is great and they should absolutely do that.
I still haven’t seen 9. I just stopped being interested in Star Wars after seeing 8 in theaters. I wasn’t a Star Wars nerd or anything but I did really enjoy everything Star Wars until seeing episode 8.
so you haven’t watched every single star wars movie in theatres since you were a kid
how will you learn how palpatine came back for reasons now?
Through Fortnite. I’m not joking, they did a promotional thing with Palpatine in Fortnite.
honestly, Disney’s treatment of the franchise killed my life long love for it
Lucas had already taken it out to the woodshed several times.
The franchise has historically been at its best in the fallow years, when people were just tapping into the IP to tell their own stories.
But you can say the same of Trek, of Harry Potter, of Marvel and DCU. Any time the suits take over, content trends towards slop
LucasArts did some of the best Star Wars games. I loved Jedi Outcast, best jedi experience out there, and X-Wing Alliance thanks to the amount of ships the game gave you
Agreed… however, I do have a specially dark and bitter place in my heart for Disney. They have a rotten touch and ruin every IP they buy
I mean, I generally like their original work. Moana, Lilo and Stitch, The Incredibles, Zootopia - all very entertaining, creative, and packed with talented performances.
And they can even make solid kids action movies. Disenchanted, Hocus Pocus, the original Pirates of the Caribbean, Tron - it’s clearly within the capacity of the studio to make good films.
When they buy up these outside franchises and “Disney-fy” them, though… Woof.
I thought Incredibles predated the Disney takeover? Otherwise I agree
The sequel came out in 2018 and was enjoyable
disenchanted was disney? i thought that was primarily a groening project.
there’s also a movie with the same name, not to be confused with the Groening/Netflix show.
Disenchanted, the movie. Not the Netflix cartoon. The feature length movie is a sequel to Enchanted, a live-action parody of the traditional Disney Princess trope.
You know it’s even better, realizing that other people’s opinion doesn’t matter about Star wars only what you feel about it. I don’t give a fuck that somebody doesn’t like something that I like because guess what I like it so y’all can fuck off.
Yeah, I may be the only person who genuinely enjoyed Episode 8, but I happen to enjoy solitude!
I like most of it. But it’s similar to the original films, they aren’t perfect by any stretch. But they are fun to watch.
Lightsabers are overrated.
I absolutely love the Republic/Imperial Commando series by Karen Traviss which ended in a massive cliffhanger because Disney took over and didn’t allow her to continue.
Fuck Disney, all my homies hate Disney!
There are dozens of us!
It’s sad. For almost ten years people have argued about what went wrong with Star Wars.
Too many genres? The EU was scattershot and unfocused at times, but never hurt the brand in a significant way. In fact, it led to some great books and games
Too much politics? The villain of TPM is named after Newt Gingrich, and nobody really cared. ANH was inspired by Vietnam, and was still a box office hit.
The fanbase hates (insert minority)? While the internet has magnified the extreme weirdos, all six films have some mix of assertive female leads and non-white characters. Lando blew up the Death Star, Mace Windu was considered second only to Yoda. Every clone, etc. Still had a successful brand. Clone Wars focused hard on the clones and is put above the prequels by many of the hardcore fans. This isn’t to say there aren’t awful people who acted unhinged, but that goes for basically every large group of people in human history, let alone fandoms on the internet.
The answer is quality of writing. The originals were written well, and had coherent world building. The prequels struggled with character writing and general complexity, which is why they are more divisive. Good writing is the difference between the comedy of C-3PO and Jar Jar. It’s the difference between Luke and Rey. And it’s the difference between soul and slop.
The people at Disney either don’t understand this, or don’t care. It is an organization of Nico Harrisons who don’t understand the fundamentals of their industry. This pattern has been repeating across pop culture since the 2010’s, and was blamed on culture war instead of the real issue. It’s a miracle that something like Rogue One or Andor was ever greenlit.
Also, did you know the box office drop-off between 4 and 5 is the same, down to the percentage point, as the drop-off between 7 and 8? And yet, 5 is the most beloved, while 8 had so much backlash that Disney panicked and turned 9 into damage control, instead of working off of 8.
The difference? ESB is well written. TLJ broke space combat entirely for a cool visual. I don’t want to absolve TFA, which gets off way too easy because of what followed, but this comment is already too long…
the difference is only that toxic fandom has the bullhorn of the internet now. that’s it. that’s the only difference.
No, that’s the shitty excuse Disney executives like to hide behind. “PEOPLE ARE JUST MAD WE FEATURED A WOMAN/BLACK PERSON/GAY COUPLE!”
No, people are mad because your writing is shit. Most people are actually A-OK with minority characters, as long as you give them a reason to like the characters. (Except China, but Disney knew that so they made sure they didn’t feature the problematic black character over there). Make them interesting, don’t make them a Mary Sue, don’t build their plot up only to yank it away at the last second and turn them into just another background character.
But no, Disney can’t do that because they are terrified of trying new things. So they made the blandest, most milquetoast, characters possible and made the plot Baby’s-First-Starwars in the first sequel, took what the fans loved about Star Wars and literally burnt it in front of them in the second sequel (while telling fans they were stupid to ever like that part of Star Wars in the first place), and then backtracked HARD into Baby’s-First-Starwars again in the third sequel when they were shocked to discover that fans didn’t like being insulted.
So many issues with the sequels, complete corporate ignorance to just chalk it up to a “toxic fandom”.
whomever you’re talking to, it isn’t me.
It sure is! Don’t get mad when someone holds a mirror up to you making the same pathetic excuses Disney does for their failures.
Nope, I remember the absolute vitriol directed at the George Lucas-written prequels, and even actors themselves; and Disney wasn’t involved in those.
2009 was more than a decade ago, but I remember the Red Letter Media review like it was yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Letter_Media
i’m sorry you’re so confused. i hope you find peace.
I dunno if Disney cares much about the writing so long as the property makes money. It’s hard to determine the cash return on streaming shows, though the viewership numbers definitely point towards a trend. Disney likes to characterize the production process as a product in an of itself, but subscribers are unlikely don’t translate that into viewership past the first couple episodes 🤷♂️
It wasn’t just panic over fan backlash that made them screw up 9. 8 basically left them nothing to work with to get to the ending they wanted. Especially with the tragic loss of Carrie Fisher, who was meant to be the central character of 9.
That was down to a critical lack of planning.
All that great writing and you chose to use acronyms instead of spelling the words.
This whole thread is just ignoring Clone Wars, Rebels & Bad Batch. (And the “Tales of” series.)
I view television as an inferior form of media to film when it comes to a series like this.
If you can make it good in the length of a movie, that’s more impressive than doing it over multiple episodes and it doesn’t take 20 hours to get there.
I have ADHD.
different media have different goals and require different writing skillsets. sometimes the story is better in long format compared to being abbreviated.
they need to maintain their hate boner with selective tunnel vision.
Yeah, its all mostly meh. The originals were great mostly because I was a kid. Prequels were trash, but 3 was the worst of them. 7 was only better because it looked like they were going back to the roots of SW. 8 and 9 were absolute trash. S1 of Andor and Mando were some of the best stuff they’ve done in that universe. The rest of it adds very little value at all.
That said, the universe itself is rich and interesting and I wish there was more content that dives into it. KOTOR was my favorite entry in the universe overall and arguably has the best writing.
Also, I would still love to see a buddy cop sitcom set in some metropolitan planet. Think Brooklyn 99 in space. Doesn’t even have to be SW. I just want this show.
Prequels were trash, but 3 was the worst of them.
TWO was the worst of them, IMHO, but you deserve credit for realizing that 3 is overrated and a saber battle with lava and a bunch of good guys dying just makes it dark, not good. It has every issue that 1 and 2 do, and adds a few new ones.
Dial back Jar Jar, age Anakin up 5 years, and accept that Liam Neeson is the lead, and you’ve got a halfway decent Star War.
Q: Why did Qui-Gon lose to Maul? A: He was tired from carrying the whole movie.Two is only “better” due to the fact it was entirely unmemorable. I recall something about a cloning facility on a water world and some robot guy that wasn’t a robot.
The worst sin in three IMHO was belaboring every little plot point to connect up to four. It was brutal to watch. In many ways it reminded me of the “writing” for the last season of GoT.
belaboring every little plot point to connect up to four
That would be one of the “new ones” I was thinking of, and they didn’t even do it well. Leia remembers her real mother, explicitly in the script, so Lucas just says, “nah… it’d feel cooler if she died in childbirth.” Make the nerds hand-wave something about the Force until I can rewrite and re-film Ep6.
I don’t think anyone hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
I’m a huge star wars fan, every time I hear star wars fans complaining about Star Wars it’s literally just this:
Nah, the new trilogy was just garbage. Not even garbage for Star wars, just bad movies in general. The inconsistent themes and storytelling of the first two left such a shit taste in my mouth I still haven’t bothered to watch the third.
i’ve seen your post a million times before, except about the prequels.
learn how to enjoy life.
lol my life is great, unlike those movies.
sure bud.
spot on. they also don’t realize they’re just repeating the same mistakes of the grognards who were shitting all over the PT twenty years go.
ppl don’t change.
I’ve approached Star Wars like, there are pieces of it I really do enjoy and love. Like lightsabers, they’re fucking awesome. Some of the gadgetry, the tech and stuff is fucking awesome.
Everything else like about the whole Force thing, Sith/Jedi philosophies and everything in between, that’s neither here or there for me.
That’s the same approach I’m having with lots of other big, overinflated pop-culture things. I’m here for the appetizers, but not the entire meal.
wait until they spring out a Jedi android with a lightsaber whip and talks like JarJar because someone at Disney wants to bring that dumbass fuckwit back “somehow”.
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I’ve actually come to dread when they add a sequel to a good movie.
For every Terminator two there’s a Phantom menace.
I enjoyed the P.M., cool world building and lore going on. The new shit however has nothing new or cool.
For all their flaws at least the pt expanded the universe in a coherent and believable way.
For every Terminator 2 there are thousands of Phantom Menaces. It was one of very few good sequels to ever exist.
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never liked that BS Far in the future fighting with pink glowsticks? come on. I was 12 and I couldn’t accept that.
