Volodymyr Zelensky, in the next phase of talks to end the war in Ukraine, intends to draw a red line at the most contentious issue on the table: the Russian demand for Ukraine’s sovereign territory. As long as he remains the nation’s president, Zelensky will not agree to give up land in exchange for peace, Ukraine’s chief negotiator, Andriy Yermak, told me today in an exclusive interview.
“Not a single sane person today would sign a document to give up territory,” said Yermak, who has served as Zelensky’s chief of staff, lead negotiator, and closest aide throughout the full-scale war with Russia.
“As long as Zelensky is president, no one should count on us giving up territory. He will not sign away territory,” he told me by telephone from Kyiv. “The constitution prohibits this. Nobody can do that unless they want to go against the Ukrainian constitution and the Ukrainian people.”
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That’s exactly how they ended up in a situation. Putin took Crimea with basically no resistance. He just didn’t count on Zelensky. Most other leaders would have given in to the pressure and let Putin overrun Ukraine (for a nice golden parachute).
Yeah, historically Ukrainian corruption while not as bad as in Russia was just as pervasive and Putin didn’t really think Zelensky or any Ukrainian leadership would act on principles. Of course, it’s an easy mistake to make when you have no principles and surround yourself with people who have no principles.
I don’t know how much it would encourage Putin to invade again.
It’s not like he invaded part of Ukraine and was allowed to keep the annexed territory in the name of peace, then 8 years later invaded again, right?
Even if they were to not invade Ukraine again, Putin has been using war to distract the population from domestic problems, so he’d just pick another target after Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Africa, and Ukraine.
That same orange shit stain is days away from de facto declaring war on Venezuela. Disgusting.
69% of Ukrainians want out of the war. They are tired of dieing for land: https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
I dont trust Russia at all, but no one is winning the war except for corporation war machine.
But if you disagree strongly, ukraine is ready for you here’s how you can sign up your life for the war: http://joinuarmy.org/en/
The divide among people who would be new Russians and the people safely in the cities was stark previously. People going to be annexed really don’t want that it seems.
Of course not, but its the rest of the country that would have to fight and die to try to get it back.
You’re just saying lives are less important than land. How many acres is your life worth?
Super weird correlation bro. As if the people didn’t come with the land. As if a captured population wouldn’t be mistreated. I believe I spelled that out clearly so no idea where you conjured up your bs. Absolutely terrible argument.
I sold about 350 acres in 2022 and I’m down to just 3 now because that’s all I need for my farm ❤️. I’d rather be dead than hand them over to some Russians against my will.
Saying the people come with the land is not a strong point, its a weird correlation bro. Populations can be evacuated or protected, and the fighting itself is what puts them in the most danger. More war means more civilians abused or displaced, not fewer.
You can reclaim and trade for land. You cannot reclaim the dead. This is why calling any negotiation stupid ignores the actual moral math of large scale conflict.
And you didn’t say how much land your life was worth. After you answer say how much land is worth your neighbors life too. Because we’ve done this before in war. Thousands dieing for inches…ww1.
Was completely avoidable too. Just do what you yourself signed in Minsk agreement.
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Yeah all russia had to do was not invade
How were they supposed to quell widespread anti-corruption protests and restore Putin’s slumping popularly without a successful 3 day military operation? Do you realize how much the successful war against Georgia boosted Putin’s popularity right when he needed it? /s
Piglets were supposed to follow Minsk agreement.
That’s all they needed to do.
Ya know - not to harass 70% of ukranian population that’s Russian speaking. Not to say that “we are developing nuclear weapons” - things like thatRationalize russias warcrimes however you want
War crimes? Ukranians are getting white glove treatments, full citizenship, benefits and are allowed to leave the country if they don’t like it.
It does not get any better.
U gotta to be a total idiot to fight for a ukranian army to protect slightly differently colored oligarchs.
From the bottom of my heart, and, on behalf of all the lives lost and ruined by putlers fascist government and war, fuck you.
With the Russians and MAGA, one should sleep with one eye open. The Russians are in a wartime economy and can produce more weapons than they lose on the battlefield. The only way to stop them and throw back the Russians is to create another 1917 revolt.
As a Russian communist with relatives in Ukraine, count me in!
(Historical context for others: 1917 has seen two revolutions, February one, which ended monarchy, and October one, which brought bolsheviks, the communists and socialists siding with Lenin, to power. Lenin has then taken Russia out of the World War I)
russia needs another lenin (well whole world does)
Russia has been drained to the dregs, far as vehicles go. People go over sat footage and count the amount of machines in the vehicle parks. Covert Cabal made a video on that several days ago.
Russia Has Began a MASSIVE withdraw of ancient T-72 Ural and A variant tanks
If Russia offered back the nuclear weapons Ukraine gave them in the 90s, maybe Ukraine would cede land in exchange.
The article literally says no lmao
You don’t reward a thief and murderer, you shoot them between the eyes. As a Dutchman, I wholeheartedly support shooting every uniformed Russian or allied you can find. Twice.
In all fairness, I think kost Russian soldiers aren’t there by much choice, Putin loves his meat grinder and has pulled well over a million Russians through it.
Yes, that is a problem that Russians should fix themselves, but still. Any soldiers surrendering should be treated well. Show them they’ve really been figuring on the wrong side
They do have a choice. When Russian frontline collapses in WWI, they started to make revolution in the Russia. Soldiers have all the guns, they have a choice, but they don’t use it or care to use it.
It is hard to revolt against a fascist state…
Alone, you have no change
There are horrible examples made with individuals who try
Organisation is made very hard and punishment is inhumane
People just want to live their lives, and if risks for revolution is so damn high, they can not afford to do it
It worked with the Nazis, it works with Russia and it will work with MAGA
If we don’t have strong protections against fascist takeover, they will do it and will block all counter movements while they are small
That is why they try to make antifa illegal, because active fighting against fascism is always needed, because the danger of a fascist group taking over is always ther
And fascism does not mean against jews, it means usage of power to suppress those with less power. It means slavering with extra steps.
That’s not what I was saying. Russian people have been made revolution before, which started from the soldiers tired of the war. I didn’t speak of the US military or people.
Most of the soldiers getting sent into the meat grinder are ethnic minorities from poor regions of Russia. They’re people that European Russians don’t care about.
putin is less likely to send muscovites or st.petersberg russians(aka white russians) thats where his influence is, if he starts to send those people, the people are going to riot.
You don’t reward a thief and murderer
We literally do and we do it regularly.
At this point, telling Russia to give the land back might as well be a land acknowledgement you read in between demanding Florida to back to the Cherokee and telling the Normans to leave England.
I wholeheartedly support shooting every uniformen Russian or allied you can find.
Well, quit wasting your time. Get down to Ukraine and win the war, then.
This sort of thinking is what the elites want…
If you apply your hate about the Russian invasion to all people of Russia, you make the job easier for Russian government to spread hate against others even more.
If people of countries would not hate each other, but only people responsible for war, there would simply be no war.
War only works by propaganda, without hate and fear mongering, there would be no wars.
Nor should they. And they own their oil discoveries.
What i don’t get is: has anybody bothered asking the people who have lived in the affected territories (Donbass) what they want?
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Maybe that’d have been a valid point back in say 2005 or something but the Russians have pretty thoroughly muddies the waters for such a vote to be possible at this point. While I don’t know about the Donbass in particular nearly as wellas I probably should if it’s anything like Crimea there’s a solid chance that quite a solid chunk of the original locals want to turn Moscow into a smoking crater.
Russia likes to move colonists in as fast as possible and frankly speaking they can drown on their own blood.
Why does it matter what they want? What next, are you gonna ask the people being sent to die? The only people who really matter are billionaires like Putin and Zelenskyy and what chickenhawks on
redditlemmy want.Some people wanted to join Russia, the majority didn’t, and it varies year per year per whatever issue is making the rounds. Funny thing about independent movements though, they don’t really care about the percentage of people and sub-regions who didn’t want to leave or what they thought.
And how would they go about doing that? It’s not like Russia wouldn’t allow there to be a free vote.
What if they invited UN observers?
Like they did in Crimea?
And it doesn’t matter. With the mass killings and population transfers it CAN’T be a fair vote now. It’s a moot point. The only time a vote could have been fair or representative was BEFORE the Russian invasion and ethnic cleansing.
Well good for them. Bending knee to Putin won’t secure peace, it’ll only secure them an intermission until Putin can finish the job.
Demand reparations, send all the Russians back to actual Russia and Putin to The Hague
And nor should they, never give in to bullies.
Russia’s showing signs of desperation anyhow which is why they’re trying to push through an agreement. They can’t debase the currency much further, they don’t have the reserves or the GDP. Ukraine is in more the position strength here as they’ve spend their time building alliances which has been aided by Russian actions strengthening the resolve of Europeans.
so many of thier fuel stations are hit, its going to start affecting his 2 base of influence, moscow and st.pete, the last thing he wants is those people in the cities complaining,.
Ah yes, but with Trump bending over backwards to accommodate Putin the Russians needn’t worry.
plus putin is also shoring up far-right european govt in the EU too.
US here, and I wish we were one of those allies. You know, as we promised.
- In 1994, the United States, Russia, and Ukraine signed the Trilateral Statement, under which Ukraine committed to eliminate all nuclear weapons on its territory and join the NPT, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia.
Yeah, would have been nice if the word (signature in fact!) of us government had meant anything (we knew russia never lives up to it)
Sounds like the EU needs a nuclear weapon program. At least one warhead in every EU nation, and at least 10 in every bordering Russia.
And also an autonomous weapon program. Like Project Manhatthan, but for Skynet.
We knew Russia wouldn’t. I’m just sad that we aren’t holding up our end of the bargain. I suspect we’d have support from other nations.
Unfortunately, this is just a stark lesson for any other country out there. Do not give up your nuclear weapons no matter what “guarantees” you get.
Isnt the lesson “develop nukes now”?
and security assurances from the United States and Russia.
The US pressured Ukraine to accept assurances and not guarantees. It matters which kind of guarantees are given.
If they really felt desperate, wouldn’t they show just a bit more flexibility in their demands?
If Putin shows weakness, Russian’s might start thinking he’ll give in to their demands.
The will if they need to. Putin is much better at playing the game than the US under the orange moron.
Thanks for the archived link. 👍
Russia will come back and take it all, don’t give them an edge. Trump will be on TV whining how Ukraine rejected his really good peace offering.
When ever Trump is upset I’m a happy person.
they waited til the right time to take crimea, its almost always a dem president in office before he struck, he miscalculated with ukraine. its the same reason gop ruins the economy, they get blaming points, in this case crimea, ukraine so the reps get re-elected once again, and give russia pass when they are back in power.
I know this is mostly a fantasy by now, but in actual reality, Russia obviously needs to give Crimea back to Ukraine and then continue minding its own fucking business.
Has Russia in its various incarnations, ever minded its own business? They’ve been a pain basically since their inception. Mostly because they seem to have predilection for some variation of oppressing their own people and then using those oppressed people to oppress more people.
There was about a 15-year window when they had a democracy and that’s been it.
There was about a 15-year window when they had a democracy
Are you talking about the 90s and early 2000s, when Russia experienced a drop in life expectancy on par with WWII? When foreign capital pillaged the country with the explicit purpose of making an example of them?
Here’s a link to The Shock Doctrine: Rise of Disaster Capitalism. It helps explain how things got bad enough that Vladimir fucking Putin seems like the lesser evil to the people who lived through it.
Really? So the invasions by Napoleon, by the WW1 victors, and by the Third Reich were all just Russia being a pain?
whos going to make them? until europe invades, im sorry but you kinda have to hope the us does something
Yeah, that’s the fantasy part.
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There is no scenario in which Russia gives up control of Crimea. It is simply too strategically important.
What about the scenario that they collapse within due to no economy? That’d lose crimea for them quickly.
Is there any serious analysis that anticipates that? I mean, a flurry of meteor strikes could also do it, I suppose.
Yes. Their oil production is way down due to the destruction of a lot of their refineries so fuel supplies are running low. They are also unable to produce enough amination for their tanks. So their tanks won’t go and can’t fire, hard to call that winning.
People have been saying this since week 2 of the war lmao
They lost a few percentage points of total refining capacity.
The strikes Ukraine made did disrupt a large percentage of the refineries, that’s true. But the strikes didn’t do a lot of damage and the refineries were brought back onine shortly.
The total annual production of those refineries was affected. But only something like 3% - 6%.
This week there are reports, plus lots of corroborating videos showing orcs running into battle without helmets or armor. They don’t seem to be doing great.
And yet Ukraine can’t seem to defend against them? Russian territory gains have been accelerating over the last 4 weeks. Pretty bad situation if Ukraine can’t defend against unarmored and unarmed soldiers
too much gas/oil that russia desperately needs.
