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Trump’s battleship plan clashes with decades of U.S. naval strategy and technology shifts
Experts described it as a “prestige project,” a “bomb magnet” and said that “this ship will never sail.”
Even if it were technically feasible, the cost of building the battleship would be prohibitive.
“This may be an era in which the president believes the U.S. last had naval supremacy.”
What he believes is that his name needs to be plastered on something of relative permeance and might, because once he keels over he’ll be remembered as a cautionary tale only.
Like, the navy hasn’t used battleships in decades because they are obsolete to deystroyers, that kind of obstacle?
With future weaponry they might see a come back
These extremely high powered laser weapons need large battery banks which seem to be usable as a power source for railguns too. Big boats might make sense, and with laser weapons mostly obsoleting air attacks they’d be a lot less of a sitting duck
You know Iran has AI torpedo drones, right? They’re called Valfajr torpedos.
And more exotic ideas:
Anyone actually paying attention to Iran will tell you that “bigger is better” Trump ideas are just giant floating “sink me” signs compared to fast, easy to produce swarms of smart explosives.
Yeah the next generation of serious combat will probably be significantly influenced by who has the best underwater capabilities, unless someone builds some kind of flying fortress for laser attacks and air denial
Personally, I think a “battleship” designed solely for coastal bombardment duties would be the best fit for a modernized version. A Siege Ship, I guess? Provided the artillery shells are cheap, they can be constantly lobbed with great range and power at stationary targets. This would free up expensive missiles and aircraft for tasks beyond the reach or accuracy of the artillery.
really what we need are destroyer sized drone platforms anyways.
Remember the
AlamoYamato!Okay but what does a really good space anime have to do with Trump’s delusions?
Wait actually I can kind of see it.
In case you’re not kidding, it was a real battleship - practically useless due to it’s size and cost, it only fired it’s main guns in one engagement (and it’s only arguable that they did anything) and spent the rest of the war as a command ship or scuttling between ports attempting to hide from enemy aircraft. It was ultimately sunk on it’s way to a suicide mission by allied bombers.
I knew there was a real ship but I had no idea how useless it actually was.
Better yet, there were two ships in the class. Yamato’s sister ship, Musashi suffered a very similar fate, though.
Even better still, the IJN had plans drawn up for a Super-Yamato class, but the war ended before it could be built.
It’s ironic that the Japanese had successfully proved the effectiveness of aircraft carriers in the opening of the war with the surprise bombing of Pearl Harbor, but failed to carry that through to the end and instead hid behind the old way of having the thickest armor and largest guns.
The Japanese attempt to win the war against the USA failed on day one. They gambled everything on sinking the bulk of the U.S. carrier fleet which, to the Japanese’s great dismay, was not even in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941. When Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku heard of this, he said “we have awoken a sleeping giant.”
If they had taken out the U.S. carriers that day, the Kido Butai would have been the dominant naval force in the Asia-Pacific region. With their powerful carriers, nobody could have stood up to them. And maybe the IJN’s super battleships would have had their day in the sun, after all.
This thing is getting a proper announcement on Monday, right?
I’m actually really curious to see what the Navy thinks the role and function of a modern battleship should be.
Especially with the designs coming out of China focusing on missile and especially drone launching capabilities, I wonder if ONR will go the same way or if they have a different vision for the future of capital warships.
The article mentions the Navy saying it wants to focus on distributing naval assets across many smaller vessels, and that seems far more sound in an era where an autonomous naval drone can pack enough punch to take down a massive vessel and can be launched in swarms. I’m not sure what the value of massive vessels are in a world where that exists. Would it be capable of launching its own drone fleet of screening ships? Is it a massive EWAR platform? Does it even have guns? I dunno. I wanna see though.
You know he just decided that “we should have battleships” because he doesn’t know why we don’t, and if he doesn’t know why, then there must be no reason.
I’m actually really curious to see what the Navy thinks the role and function of a modern battleship should be.
A coral reef, probably. There’s a reason battleships aren’t made anymore. Moron might as well be boasting were going to make the biggest bestest most bigliest Ironclads the world has ever seen.
America is never recovering from this shit show.
The USA, since Covid:
… we’re all just still living in the post-covid collapse, mental/physical/economic breakdown.
Very likely not quite, yeah. But honestly that’s ok. The US was too important. We need a little less responsibility and a little less pull. We need a little humble dealt to us.
Imagine thinking of the US’s interference globally as responsibility
Battleships cannot exist for there is no armor that can survive modern weapons. You cannot brawl it out against a bomb run and your weapons fire only 100km at best.
It is excellent for blasting away at a shoreline when you have absolute air and naval control. For reducing a defenseless region to rubble without using expensive (and anonymous) missiles or planes.
“And in today’s news, the USS Trump has shelled the deserted remains of Caracas for the 3rd day running.”
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It is excellent for blasting away at a shoreline when you have absolute air and naval control.
Even in the battleship era, they had better ships for shore bombardment called “monitors” (after the Civil War-era ships named after USS Monitor that looked similar even though that wasn’t their purpose). A shallow-draft ship just large enough to hold a single battleship turret was a much more economical solution.
Every word makes sense but … It does not matter. It needs to be big, it must have (the illusion) of impressive and it has to carry his name.
I bet if Trump stays in power long enough he will inevitably demand that it is painted gold.
Key Points: Never stopped him before.
Literally the only thing this has going for it is how much of the world would be united in support of watching the USS Donnie Dotard sink into the ocean depths where it is crushed beyond all recognition.
Trump’s Foley
Pissing into an ocean of piss
How could a large incredibly expensive slow moving warship that’s really easy to locate and follow possibly be a bad idea? It’s not like you can quickly, cheaply, and easily cram a bunch of explosives in a few unnamed submersibles and sink those ships for a fraction of the cost, right?
He probably heard his boss bragging over the Moskva.
Rule of law in this land now: “Trump-class” anything is coded for “kickback-funneling-class” - it’s never going to exist for it’s stated mission, only for the explicit mission of funneling money around.
Amazing isn’t it? Trump is the epitome of failure, but only at the mercy of other people. You gotta hand it to the piece of shit, he is an incredible grifter. He’s managed to convince an entire Top Three nation to let him do whatever the fuck he wants. He’s getting away with unspeakable crimes; pedophilia, rape, possibly murder… etc. The world’s worst human being running freely, in the most powerful position in the world, and a cult of personality. Just amazingly terrible.
Yup, same as it’s always been. I find solace in his big mad though:
- Wants to be beloved by all Americans; will never be loved by even half of Americans.
- Desperately wants to preserve his legacy; there is no future where his legacy isn’t tarnished.
- Craves being the richest, most successful ‘business’ man in the world; every business launched ended in failure or prosecution.
- Tries to project emotional strength and fortitudinous; late-night comedians live rent free in what’s left of his brain.
Hey, it’s just like Russian military projects!
If it does get made I hope it sinks faster than the Vasa
I immediately thought of Vasa as well. I thought it was ridiculous for it to happen back then, but it’s hilarious watching it happen in our time.
Or the Kang Kon.
