Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is “absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president’s action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump’s side and wrote on X, “As I’ve long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”
Keep screaming impeachment when clearly that doesn’t work…he belongs in jail ya know for being a 34 count felon rapist seditionous traitor.
I want him actually removed from office. He was already impeached. Twice! It didn’t do anything.
To get him removed from office, you have to first get the House to vote (50%) to Impeach him. That is actually doable. But then the Senate has to hold a trial and somehow get 67 senators to vote to convict him. That would take every Dem and Independent and something like 20 Republicans to vote to convict. I agree with you, but I don’t see that happening.
The only other way is by using the 25th Amendment which says, in part:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Vance and all of Trump’s appointed toadies would have to send a letter to the House and Senate saying Trump in not capable of being president. And even if, by some miracle that happened, the next step is for Congress to hold votes in both the House and the Senate needing two-thirds of both houses to declare that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Even if they somehow pulled that off in the House, it would still take 18 or 20 Republican senators to cross over and vote him out.
I just don’t see any legislative way out of this. The Republicans in the House and Senate are simply not going to let it happen. They have too much power and no morals.
Doesn’t matter they should still introduce the bill
One of like 1000 things he’s done in the last few months that was either illegal, unconstitutional, “grounds for impeachment”, or corrupt. 🥱
She keeps doing dumb things (add pronouns to profile, remove them. keep using “latinx”). And sadly I think she’s the best we’ve got. Never trust a Christian. At least she seems to be anti-billionaire, which is better than Mayor Pete.
On the other hand, it would be on brand for America if he got impeached for the one thing he did right.
So illegal bombing Iran for no reason was right?
We can’t allow another NK to happen. But a true leader would take out their evil leadership - the population hates him.
Then Congress should declare war per the constitution. Or do we not care about due process as long as it hurts the people we think are evil?
No impeachments until they know they can get a conviction in the Senate, which is highly unlikely.
Besides, an impeachment only makes Peter Theil (Vance’s leash holder) the president, then we’re out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Theil is already president, and probably has been for longer than I care to imagine.
I would be okay with President Vance. We’d only have to deal with him for a day or two before some MAGAt offed him for daring to replace the God Emperor.
Every day the Criminal in Chief commits impeachable crimes. Every. Day.
This is just the latest. But Congress is currently packed with illegitimate, undemocratically placed criminal cronies who face no accountability while shielding their criminal collaborators from accountability. So here we are.
Kendrick Lamar “It’s not enough.” I want him removed and charged for all the harm and civil rights violations and war crimes. No President has ever been held accountable, So you can start with him.
Nixon was. They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia, but went with lying about adultery.
clearly grounds for impeachment
…add it to the pile, I guess.
But considering that impeachment is a legal process and that the current administration has zero respect for or inclination to follow the law, it’s not like it’ll accomplish shit. Dude needs to be deposed by those who have sworn to defend the constitution from domestic threats (the military) not run through some formal process.
Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump’s second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.
That’s also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.
I mean, in practice, I guess yeah. On paper, it’s initiated by a political process, but ultimately it’s a criminal investigation. The acquittal was due to the process being wrongfully politicized. In a system that actually followed its own rules, he’d have been indicted and imprisoned for the crimes he’s committed against the US.
The system we have will, at best, put on a dog-and-pony show, call it “impeachment”, and try to pass that off as actual justice like it did last time.
If literally anyone thinks “it’s okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move”…
Then couldnt you just argue that “if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn’t it have been easy to get congress to approve it?”
It’s illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.
If it was so right, then approval would’ve been easy to get…?
Trump fans would say he couldn’t ask because they’d unfairly block him. And he’s a decisive dynamic man who took initiative. Or something
The US is 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴
Fuck Fetterman that piece of shit.
Gotta be a some kind of link between brain damage and rabid conservatism.
Boomers and Gen X suffer permanent brain damage due to lead poisoning that directly correlates to their radicalized views.
What explains yours?
weak
There is. You gotta be brain damaged to be conservative.
Naw, you can also just be rich and an asshole. Brain damage is easier to get though
I hope he gets out of politics and gets treatment. I grew up in Pittsburgh and just wince every time I see what he has become. He used to come out to parties in my social group! He was always a spoiled rich kid but this post-stroke John is something else.
Nah fuck his treatment, just get him the fuck out of office. He’s way beyond the point where I care about his personal well-being anymore.
Maybe at the level of the media game, sure, but you absolutely do care if there’s one less crazy person in the world, we all do.
I’m saying this because John was at one time a friend to me. Genuinely I don’t expect you to care about his well-being. I figured that the point of my comment was that he needs to step down immediately; I think people seem to think I’m asking you for sympathy.
Understandable.
Israel is quite literally the world’s biggest terrorist nation state. The paper thin transparent spin tactics of Israel’s defenders would be amusing if the results of its terrorism wasn’t so horrifying.
I don’t disagree that bombing Iran puts us at risk of starting a war we don’t want to be involved in. However I think the public is too split on the matter to put majority support behind impeachment.
Conservative circles themselves appear divided with some saying the display of force was necessary and avoided direct conflict (minimizing operational costs), some saying the President is authorized to conduct these actions under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and some voicing dissent or disapproval altogether of this action.
The War Powers Resolution will probably be the loophole that conservative outlets use to claim that Trump has done nothing wrong. I don’t know if there’s been an exercise of this authority without congressional approval that has lead to the targeted country declaring war as a result. If this were to happen, maybe there will be clear grounds to impeach, but I don’t think the public will display a majority support for it to happen.
I agree that for practical purposes there is not the support for impeachment. But I do think that every unconstitutional thing he does should be called out with the simple but direct message that ‘impeachment and removal is the only remedy to a corrupt and unconstitutional POTUS’. We should say that over and over and over so that takes on its own meaning and the public is ready for it when sentiment inevitably brings us to the point it is actually possible.
he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?
With three, stamps, you get a free impeachment.
If the senate actually has balls, they can remove him from office. Impeachment doesnt inherently carry consequences. The senate determines consequence
The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
The older I get, the more I feel like the Senate is essentially the means through which corporations and the capital class defeat any popular movement. Our Constitution was written mostly by drunk, privileged, rich kids. I think sometimes you can really smell the disdain for lower classes in the way everything is built.
Caesar felt the same way.
I guess, but I am referring more to that there should only be a House of Representatives, and that the Senate serves no purpose other than to represent corporate interests and tamp down on popular sentiment.
And I’m saying that Ancient Rome only had a senate (no house or senate branches) and their corruption reached a point to where the ideal of a dictator was an improvement over the status quo.
Many Americans thought this. But the best they could come up with was Trump???
Can’t believe I lived to see the fall of the Republic and rise of the TACO Triumvirate 🥹
Elon Musk is not Pompey.
The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
Not quite. The first two times were like a grand jury returning an indictment. That’s the House’s part of the equation. They have a vote requiring 50% of members to vote to impeach the president, effectively indicting him. The Senate then has to hold a trial that which takes a 67% vote to convict him and remove him from office.
Saying he has been impeached twice but not removed from office is the equivalent of saying someone has been indicted twice but not convicted. He hasn’t yet been convicted.
The reason (well, one of the reasons) they don’t do it, is because Trump ignores orders. Meaning: if they want to remove him from office, it would literally come down to sending goons in to physically remove him, and the other goons might resist. It would get ugly.
Um, *raises hand* point of parliamentary procedure; people are suffering and quite literally dying right now. It’s already extremely ugly.
Yes, but most Democrats in congress are feckless cowards. They don’t want to be seen “instigating” something ugly.
Instead, they’ll give speeches, hold up plaquards, and write firmly-worded letters.
And the Republicans are complicit, so.
No, the reason was Reds protecting their guy and refusing to hold him to account. Even if what you suggested were part of their motivation, the optics of Trump refusing accountability and literally being dragged out, hasn’t been paying attention to the optics that Trump himself brings to the US and the GOP, specifically. It’s a pretty shit justification.
The moment they decide he’s removed, he has no authority to stop them from removing him. Sec Serv wouldn’t listen to him. He’d be an 80 year old man hiding behind a door.
Well it’s not like Congress is busy approving or funding a war. They’ve got time.
IMO this is business as usual thinking.
The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.
And even if it doesn’t pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.
It will never happen. Instead, thousands will die (mostly innocents) and Americans will never get healthcare. EU will be a good lapdog and lick USA’s balls asking for more.
I hate this timeline.
If I were Iran right now sitting on (mostly destroyed) stockpiles of enriched uranium which can’t easily be turned into weapons-grade, I would be organizing dirty bombs going off in every world capital I could get agents inside.
Make no mistake, US and EU will be paying for this decision for decades to come, and we will deserve everything we get. May some god have mercy on our souls, because our owner class will not.
Sorry but EU is neither a lapdog nor responsible for the disaster you voted for. We aren’t really asking for much these days, either. Business is good and new deals with China are boosting the economy.
Thankfully you’re not in charge of Iran.
