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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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Ah yes, Democrats shooting themselves in the foot again right on schedule, fantastic…
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Canadians are so confused as to the reason Americans hate newsom sort of like how Americans were confused why Canadians hated Trudeau.
Please no.
Agreed, but this has been a long time coming
Uh… We’ve all been saying those exact words for nearly a decade*, over and over and over… And, this is all where that gets us. 🤌🏻
*(depending on one’s age/awareness)
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
Dont spurn the ones asking for a drink spurn those that hold back the water because it upsets their donors.
FWIW, I’m not “spurning” anyone, gramps.
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
That led you to a guy in the White House who is clear he’s not likely to leave peacefully.
Are you seriously blaming Trump being elected on people asking for better representation? Wheres the connection?
No, I’m blaming people who only wish to vote for their perfect candidate for Trump being elected. If you look at the amount of Democrat voters who sat out the 2024 election then they are to blame. If they’d have showed up we wouldn’t be in this shitshow now, even if Harris wasn’t a great candidate.
There is a certain type of Democrat voters who can’t look past their own views and only want a candidate that aligns 100% with what they think, meanwhile the other side rallies behind a candidate that they themselves might also not like entirely, but they still vote for him. And then they win. Meanwhile the former get to say ‘Well at least my principles are still intact’ while the country crumbles around them.
Performative slime chasing the presidency like Corey Booker.
Ugh.
So we just go back to the rich getting more welfare?
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He’s not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on “social issues” like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he’d be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I’m just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.
God I’ve hated watching the way that this shitshow has turned Newsom into the Dem’s new darling rising star. He’s just more of the same neoliberal shit that got us here in the first place.
Still, though, I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back, and the more voices that we have screaming “this isn’t normal, this isn’t okay,” the better imo. I think he’d be a shit president, but in comparison to the situation we have going on now? He’d be a fucking dream.
I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back
He’s not…
He’s making a lot of noise and saying he’s fighting back. But he got the Texas Dems to return to Texas so their redistricting can happen.
But Cali isn’t redistricting. Right now it might be something that people can vote if they want it to happen, and even if that vote passes it might not happen.
We’re losing actual battles because of his lies and misrepresentations about what he is doing in Cali.
Fair. My intention was more to say ‘giving the appearance of fighting back’. My thinking on it was that it is, on net, better to have even an ineffectual example to serve as a reminder that dissent is a choice which both has been and remains available to us all. Your concern about the potentially performative nature of the situation doing damage by muddying the decision making of how that dissent should be handled, however, is extremely valid. Hell, a misunderstanding of what was happening in California even skewed my analysis of the situation until I just looked into it more.
Either way, though, I still fucking hate the guy. I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised, either; talking a big game and then doing exactly nothing while shit falls apart around you is a textbook Democrat move.
is a textbook
Democratneoliberal move.And people are actually doing things. They’re just not neoliberals so billionaire owned media won’t talk about it.
That’s my whole point…
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So…
It’s not guaranteed to happen…
But because Newsom kept saying it would happen, Texas Dems already returned, and it will happen in Texas…
But you don’t understand why this is a bad thing?
You don’t understand that Texas Dems should have never returned?
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People aren’t going to decamp for over a year away from their families because you demand it.
Decamp?
If they don’t have what it takes to fight fascism, why the fuck are they in office?
People (including their constituents) are being kidnapped and sent to motherfucking concentration camps, but staying in a hotel is too much to ask of them?
With standards this low, no wonder you like Newsom
If you think you would be a better legislator, then go ahead and run for office.
If you can’t be bothered to run, then you know why they are in office.
And his comment being unpopular doesn’t make him wrong
Newsome is bought by oil
You have a well groomed, better spoken, shady as fuck fake democrat on newsome.
He didn’t care that people were taken, he cared he looked bad.
Too bad cathartic gestures win elections, not logic.
We’re so short sighted and bad at making long term beneficial decisions. Idk how humanity is gonna survive
So who instead? Bernie? Jesus. You people don’t want anything.
time to vote for jill stein and give the election to trump again
damn, if only there was another option
How much have you done to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state? Surely someone who is this concerned with the spoiler effect is working night and day to address the root cause of the issue!
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Newsom sounds like a typical Democrat then
He’s not a Dem, he’s a neoliberal.
It’s way past the time to stop pretending there isn’t a distinction. We can’t just let them keep lying about what they are, because they’re trashing the image of the entire Democratic party.
They don’t have the same goals, strategy, or process.
Neoliberals are fundementally different than Democrats. And now that neoliberals no longer control the democratic party, it’s time to differentiate the two camps.
Um what?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party. They’re still running the party as they have been for the past few decades. Maybe accept that and stop supporting the party.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party.
Because the neo liberals controlled the DNC for decades, and if reps didn’t vote for who the DNC wanted in those positions, the DNC would fuck with them and withhold the money that was stolen from their state via Victory Fund out of spite.
They’d fuck over any incumbent that went against them, even if that meant a republican kept the seat.
But the voting members of the DNC finally kicked the neoliberals out of power at the DNC.
The people you are talking about are still coasting off the last leadership elections in the House/Senate when the neoliberals were in charge. They won’t win the next ones without the threats from the DNC.
Does it make sense now?
This is important to understand and billionaire owned media sure as shit aren’t going to explain it, so if you have more questions I’ll try to answer them.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
The chair, who unilaterally controls everything for the next 3 years…
If you think he’s going to fight against progressives, look at the decade he ran Minnesota, it went from a purple state to deep blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps.
If Martin is a neo liberal who wants to keep progressives out of office, he’s so bad at it he might as well not be trying.
Logically that means the reason he was picked is the voting members of the DNC want to listen to voters again instead of screeching at them.
Quick edit:
But it seems you’re conflating House/Senate leadership with DNC leadership…
They should be separate things, but decades of neoliberalism has intertwined the two.
It’s going to take another House/Senate leadership election cycle to fix that, because the last vote happened with the old DNC.
I guess time will tell. Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
I guess time will tell
Martin ran Minnesota up till the day he became DNC chair…
He’s not some random unknown person, there is zero indication to show he’s going to run the DNC differently than he did Minnesota.
If he does start fucking around, believe me I’ll be the first to call him out on it. But right now there is zero logical reason to expect any difference.
Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
That’s the great part about Martin.
It’s not that he has a view of what voters want, and is going to try and make that work.
He runs fair, unbiased primaries, and whoever wins he’ll put the full weight of the party behind them in a general.
It’s why billionaires are trying to convince people they shouldn’t vote in the next dem presidential primary, and why it’s essential we counter that
The DNC/Democratic Party is funded by billionaires and corporations. They do the bidding of billionaires and corporations. They want to please billionaires and corporations. They engage in systematic lawfare to restrict parties and individuals to the left of them from having ballot access, way harder and with more cohesion than they ever have fought Trump or conservatives. The influential think tank Third Way wants Democrats to move away from progressive policies and small donors.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary’s presidential campaign. This is the same party that colluded against Bernie, with Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning as a result of the scandal and courts finding that it’s legal to rig primaries.
The DNC and the Democratic leadership are both center-right. Why can’t we have a left party instead of making the Democratic party something it isn’t?
Ken Martin is hostile to progressives and individuals who want to change the party like David Hogg, by the way. Here is some leaked audio that sheds light on the situation.
And an excerpt from Wikipedia:
Later on May 12, 2025, the DNC’s Credentials Committee recommended voiding the results of Hogg’s and Malcolm Kenyatta’s elections as vice-chairs, citing a violation of DNC rules requiring gender diversity for party officers. An election to decide whether or not to redo the DNC’s previous election was held from June 9 to June 11, 2025. On June 11, 2025, DNC members voted to vacate the previous election of DNC vice chair. Hogg stated he would not run again for vice chair after the party removed him and Kenyatta from office.
They just crushed a person pushing progressive primary challengers on grounds of gender diversity and tangentially on Hogg’s impacted neutrality in future primaries, from my understanding. Under Ken Martin’s leadership. This is the same party that favored Hillary in 2016, but now suddenly when there are progressives challenging the status quo, Ken Martin proposed this rule:
DNC Chair Ken Martin announced he would propose changes to the DNC rules that would mandate its officers to remain neutral in all Democratic primaries, not just the presidential primary overseen by the committee.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary’s presidential campaign.
This is like blaming Biden for things trump did 2016-2020…
And when someone tries to explain that it was literally two different people who just share the same title…
You start yelling that “a president is a president and it doesn’t matter”.
I’m sure you think you made some great points, but it’s literally as ridiculous as not understanding “president” is just a title.
The only thing relevant to current DNC, is that they redid an internal election because the old DNC didn’t follow DNC election rules…
Which you’re apparently very upset with, you would prefer to keep the results of a fraudulent election?
Just saw your edit. Voiding the results of an election on grounds of “gender diversity” after several months was the current leadership’s decision. They voted on it in June, unless I am misunderstanding something. The election wasn’t “fraudulent”, it violated their rules and was called into question a month after Hogg started making waves. David Hogg was one of the key people attempting to reform the Democratic Party/DNC and he would’ve been well positioned to do that as Vice Chair.
I want progress. Hogg was crushed because he wanted progress, you can’t rewrite history. It’s undeniable that it all unfolded the way it did because leadership wasn’t pleased with him.
The DNC is not a totally different organization. Citation needed. Billionaires and corporations really didn’t want Bernie back then, and they won’t want progressives getting in office in the future.
Until the DNC only accepts money from small donors, and there is campaign finance reform (looking at Citizens United being overturned), it’s naive to believe progressives will ever have a shot.
Their cash flow depends on pleasing their masters, they won’t jeopardize that.
Please define Neoliberal for the class.
Then review the list you have.
From what I’ve seen, he’s further to the right than even many of the utterly useless center-right Democrats.
Out of curiosity, why did you reply to a comment about the importance of differentiating neoliberals from Dems, by conflating the two?
Because they haven’t left the Democratic Party yet, and though the party may be starting to move away from neoliberalism, most of its most prominent voices today are still neoliberals. Running Newsom as a presidential candidate would seal the deal.
I believe we’re at least a decade out from progressives being the main front runners for the party. The baby boomers are still in power because they vote the most, followed by Gen X who is even more conservative than the Baby Boomers based on the 2024 voter data.
When Millennials finally start getting into power and make up more of the voter share I could see progressives being the majority.
Alternatively, if we change the voting system in more states, like Alaska and Maine did, then we could have more candidates winning elections that are closer politically to Mamdani, AOC, and Bernie. It would enable third party candidates to have a much greater chance of winning elections as well.
No bgen xers are not. Absolutely no.
Millenials and zoomers are just as conservative.
In fact zoomers and millenials, the largest voting block now, went trump
Please enough with the age thing
For Christ sakes yes some older people, including me are more conservative, gen exers are cranky and want to be left alone. We are Not more conservative
It is a MONEY thing. Not a generation thing
Youbwongvsee progressives running the country until that is removed. EOS.
Fight the class war. That’s what the real issue is. Not our ages. . Edited. I am more conservative in things like fiscal repsonsibilty, not human rights, Nazi tolerance or any of that shit.
What’s funny is I find racist war mongers on both sides, screaming how had the other side is.
Right on, just making sure there wasn’t a good reason. Thanks for confirming
I’d usually always vote dem, but I won’t vote for this one. Mostly for transphobic statements, but he’s actually kinda trumpy too
Good luck, I think you need actual fascism first to be healed. Should recalibrate your compass.
If you think voting dem will cure fascism, you need to walk out your bubble
The DNC will die before it learns a lesson.
FUCKING BRING IN ANOTHER CANDIDATE THEN.
Jesus fuck… Y’all just constantly whine about your options, and when the time comes for the primary, you’ve got NOTHING.
Edit: yeah this makes me a “DNC fanboy”. What a fucking joke. I am going to start tagging everyone here who’s refusing to do fucking anything but whine about the primary candidates so I know to ignore them in the future.
We tried, twice. Got shut out, twice. Third time they didn’t even allow a primary and then appointed a new person.
But next time Lucy will let us kick the football, she swears this time she’ll play fair.
Then fucking do something about it
We are doing something about it. And every time we do, a bunch of Democrats tell us how evil we are, before they run off to bomb kids, and back genocides.
Progressives need to vote!
“Okay, I will vote for the people who are better on important issues.”
Stupid single issue voters, we don’t need you! We’ll win while supporting transphobia, racism, and illegal wars!
I’m glad I was able to provide a jumping-off point for you and your buddies to LARP leftism, but I meant do something real.
We are, and then people say we’re Russian bots for not supporting a fascist-platforming transphobe.
Oh nice… So I’ll have a legitimate progressive candidate to vote for in the upcoming primary then, right? Right?
The only one whining is DNC fanboys when we tell them their establishment ghoul is going to lose them the election once again.
“I’m not a DNC fanboy. I just complain when people want better from the politicians I don’t let others criticize.”
Yeah that’s what I am, a DNC fanboy. 🙄
Come back when you’re actually interested in good faith discussion.
How did “vote blue no matter who” end up last time?
You might want to be careful with the undying DNC loyalty. Endorse a bad candidate and you will end up with TrumpIII. Fearmongering to push a bad candidate has proven a losing strategy.
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Same
LMFAO nobody here is a “DNC fanboy”. Even if I didn’t like Bernie Sanders, why would I be a “fan” of a caretaker organization that has very little actual power to do anything? I’m a fan of voting for the best available candidate whether primary or general elections.
Voters will die before they learn the lesson. Beating fascism is more important than getting a candidate who agrees with everything you want.
Actually, we’re going to die regardless because none of the politicians supported by either party care enough to solve the issues in this country that are slowly killing us. But yes, fascism will certainly expedite the process.
The DNC turns over almost 100% of membership every 4 years so anything it “learns”, good or bad, will be forgotten. Because it isn’t a person. Tulsi Gabbard used to be a DNC leader. Now she’s a Trump henchperson MAKING AMERICA NOT GREAT AGAIN
I’m not a fan of Newsome, he’s just another Establishment/Corporatist Democrat, an extension of Bush/Obama/Biden, but the popular response to his strong speech and MAGA trolling proves that Americans are looking for a strong leader who will stand up to the MAGA Nazis.
We will never liberate America from the Nazis with weenies like Schmuck Schumer running the show.
so that people don’t forget what as establishrent democrat is, newsom is pro-genocide, a transphobe and pointlessly cruel to the homeless. But as long as he is trolling the other fascists its fine i guess
Yeah, he’s just another Republican Lite.
Let’s not forget that Don Jrs savage ex-beast, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is Newsome’s ex-wife. I don’t know what she was like back then, but at some point in time he could agree with her enough to fall in love and marry her. Perhaps she’s moved more right since then, and he’s moved more left, but the fact that they could ever find common ground is disturbing, and revealing.
If he’s left of center, it’s almost negligible. He may not be MAGA, but he is much closer to a traditional Republicans than a Democrat, and not even close to being Progressive.
We’ll never liberate America with conservative schmucks wearing blue like Newsom running the show either. He’s controlled opposition at best and actively moving further to the right with his anti-trans MAGA pandering.
Agree. We need Progressives with strength and courage to primary the stodgy dead logs who are taking up space in DC.
We have to beat the useless Establishment Dems before we can beat the MAGA Nazis. We need to be what the Republican Tea Party was in 2010.
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The new poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, has Newsom in second place among potential Democratic candidates with 13 percent support, behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26 percent.
The number one spot right now is the woman who lost the last election, while number two is the guy who’s been in the news lately. This is basically just measuring name recognition. It’s more than 3 years until the election, a frontrunner is meaningless at this point.
This is a well known human trait.
This is why marketing is so effective.
Yeah, but you gotta keep calling it out when they use it to try to coronate someone.
Newsom is a corpo’s idea of a progressive candidate. That is, he’s not a progressive candidate.
But why?? Because he’s acting like trump??
Did you read the article?
He’s standing up to trump by just going mask off and acting like him
Come on, it’s 100% clear he’s not acting like him, he’s mocking him. This can’t be that hard to understand.
Slop
I haven’t deep-dived into the whole thing but from the tidbits of information I don’t understand how the previous reply is slop or false.
From the article:
The California governor has been punching back at Trump over the past few weeks, particularly in the war of words over redistricting. Meanwhile, his press office has turned its social media feed into a stream of all-caps posts, pop culture parodies and AI-edited meme content, aimed squarely at mocking Trump in style while countering Republican initiatives.
from the link in the article: (Newsom’s own words)
“I don’t know — I hope it’s a wake-up call,” he said. "I’m following the president’s example. If you’ve got issues with what I’m putting out, you should have concerns about what he’s putting out as president
idk, allowing yourself to be changed because of your oppositions actions and repeating their behavior as “mocking” just seems like something the daily show would do… not someone in a political position and hoping to run as a presidential campaign. Not saying it won’t be effective, may even pull in some centrists or low informed voters with the stint but still seems weird and not really the best course of action.
Low-informed voters is a truly huge demographic in the US.
Yes he is doing slop
No, because he’s mocking Trump. And because he’s fighting back in the dirt with redistricting.
