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I don’t wear women’s clothes, but I do feel like shirt sizes are some sort of scam. I want a long shirt, yet the L and the XL are the same length. Wtf. Or when an L is longer than an XL. Granted, maybe the size is horizontal rather than vertical. But c’mon.
That’s why I propose a 2d size system. Size for height and for width. Also, sizes got to mean something. Not just feels, but concrete values within a range. Or make them numbers, idk.
Length and width ought not be yoked like that, an XL shouldn’t be longer, just wider. You need Short, Medium, and Tall and Extra Tall for that dimension.
I was a tall and skinny kid and the heartbreak of never having pants long enough, because the small ones were all also very short, still I feel it!
As an adult, the first time I saw a ladies size Small Tall in the shop I almost cried.
Women’s bra sizes also suck, because the volume of the cups is tied to the diameter of the half circle the underwire describes, but small boobs aren’t small in width, they just sit closer. Champagne glass, but small bras assume shot glass instead, basically. They need three measurements.
Women’s bra sizes also suck
Shopping with my wife for bras is… Fun. Cups can be anywhere from a DDD to a I, bands from a 38 to a 46.
Somehow this makes sense somewhere.
She punched me when I sat a bra on my head and said ‘try this one,’ but I was right!
The last time I went shopping for pants it took a fabric tape measure.
Even as a guy, every pair was six to ten inches larger than listed in the waist.
I got two work shirts at the same time. Both size 44, same manufacturer, theoretically identical shirts.
Almost a full letter grade size difference, one is basically a L and the other was almost an XL.
How do they fuck up 2 supposedly identical shirts? Fucked if I know.
Where were they manufactured?
How do they fuck up 2 supposedly identical shirts? Fucked if I know.
Well, clothes are still sewn by low-paid workers in sweatshops, not industrial robots, so I guess some variation is to be expected.
It’s so frustrating. I’ve most often experienced this with two of the same item in different colors or fabrics, but not always. Once I was trying on a particular jacket at Uniqlo and the size medium was super tiny but the size small fit just right. Did they mix up the size tags sewn into the jackets, or what?
As a 160cm guy, s sized shirt for guy is so baggy for me but s sized shirt for woman is just right. And buying s sized made in country A is different size than s sized made in country B.
What is this inconsistent shiteThose differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
They could just use measurements. Even with elastic materials just give a range. Remembering a few numbers is not difficult for most people
Yes, though you would have to remember more numbers if you’re not making gendered sizes, things like the diameter of the arm hole and the distance between the neck and shoulder, but it’s not like there’s no way to do it. It’s just easier for clothing companies to gender clothes and most people don’t care enough to do anything about it.
People’s clothes would probably fit a lot better though.
You only need a few numbers really, and a small table printed on the label would be easy enough. At the end of the day a company is going to produce a limited number of patterns. Probably still only going to get xs/s/m/l/xl/xx… So roughly 7 patterns. In any case, having the numbers can tell you whether a m or a s will be choking you or a comfortable fit, whether it will constrict your arm motion, or be an unintentional crop top. It just demands more quality control from the manufacturer and honest labeling which is antithetical to their interests (getting people into the store, errant purchases, etc…)
Yeah but, shoe industry at least have the consistent going on…sort of.
As someone from south east asia, my size is like below average even for asian standard, which mean i can’t expect to buy cloth and fit if i visit europe or US. Cloth from Uniqlo kinda fit me tho but i guess their shirt might be unisex.
Yeah, that’s got to be difficult. I’m in the opposite boat, as a 178 cm tall woman. I struggled finding dresses that were long enough in the US, but upon moving to central Europe, I have no issues at all (and my size shoe doesn’t run out within a day of being restocked anymore). I basically just don’t buy clothing made by Asian companies unless I can try it on in person first. People joke about “big bones,” but I’ve got a BMI of 20 and I have tried on XL and XXL sizes that don’t go over my shoulders.
I don’t remember ever buying cloth/shoe i can’t try first, because i need to know how loose it gonna be 🤣
Yeah, there’s also unfortunately a difference in how a man wearing clothes that are too big vs a woman wearing clothes that are too small or too big is received. It was only a real problem for me with professional clothing, because otherwise I can get away with a dress unintentionally falling mid-thigh or sizing up and looking like I’m doing a menswear style.
wdym
Nah. I’m over 12. Use words?
Nah. I’m over 12
But under 25, otherwise ‘wdym’ would be part of your native tongue. At this point the kids are probably saying something more like ‘low wizzer’ or whatever dark magic is used to make up Zoomer slang.
(‘wdym’ - ‘What Do You Mean?’)
Tru biz
We’re old. We don’t set the trends or standards anymore. If we want to keep participating, we have to adapt to their style. They aren’t going to adopt our older standards.
Low wizzer
Language - wait for it - changes.
I really want a law that requires clothes sizes to use actual, verifiable measurements.
Its not hard to have a waist circumference then short/mid/long. I think that’s how overalls are sized - in practice its try them on & allow for shrinkage after a couple of washes.
yeah hope they’ll get right on that, add it to the list. we’ve already got one on the list: pass a law saying you cant shrink portion sizes on your labels until you can say “zero calories” in each of 1000 servings of oil
Just buy in Temu, they put these BS sizes but there’s always a chart in cm so if you know your numbers you get it right.
Same thing when I wanted Business shirts. Where I live it’s all s m l bulshit. I went to Macy’s online and they sell most brands by 3 measures I think, can’t remember, it’s collar size, arm length in inches. Well worth the international shipping fees for a week’s worth of shirts. Now I mostly work from home, I think they’ll last until I retire lol
Support slave owners and fuck the planet is a wild suggestion.
Thinking again, I’ll grow my own cotton and assemble my own spinning thing to make yarn. I’ll be back in a year.
We’re getting jackets as a christmas present from my employer and they had us fill out a size form. “Sizes are as usual.”
Made me think of this.
I didn’t even know they had gay sizes.
There are sizes just for straight people?
Duh, the crooked ones need special clothing.
Always get a size up and wash them hot to shrink to you
We all know that the rich wear personally tailored suits and so-on. But, what I think would be amazing is to be rich enough to wear a personally tailored t-shirt, or personally tailored socks. For women, I can’t imagine the joy of having a personally tailored bra that was built precisely to fit their exact body. That must exist at some level of wealth, but I just wonder how rich you have to be to justify that kind of spending.
For most people, even when you find something that fits well, there are going to be compromises, like the shoulders might fit perfectly, but it’s just a bit too long, or a bit too tight. But, just imagine something simple like a T-shirt where instead of “medium” you get something that takes into account your torso’s length, your ribcage’s size, your shoulder’s width, your arm’s circumference, the size of your neck, and so-on.
Tailors are pretty affordable. Anyone can take clothes into a tailor and get them tailored to their body shape. Idk if bras are able to be adjusted though.
Sure, tailors are affordable, but can anybody really justify spending $80 for a tailored T-shirt? If you’re a multi-millionaire maybe you can, and maybe your T-shirts feel absolutely great as a result.
Its less than $20 and normally done on dresses, jackets, pants.
At this point I’m wondering if the designers just roll dice and put the result on the label.
Shoes. Bought a pair of Bass shoes from the Bass online store. The shoes that arrived were completely different from the ones I ordered. The picture on the shoebox were what I wanted, but not what was in the box. Explained the issue and returned the shoes. The replacement shoes were exactly the same. I returned and gave up.
I knew it! I’m not crazy!
