• WanderWisley@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Even if this shooter is identified as a hardcore deep red republican they will still blame democrats, immigrants, and LGBTQ+

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      It’s what they claimed about the Trump shooter, and the guy who assassinated the officials in Minnesota. Definitely a pattern that they’re not going to deviate from.

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        Or their accusations against antifa in 2020 and before after they stood up to their aspiring Brown / black shirt paramilitaries in training. They’re trying to go full Nazi, only there incompetence and misunderstanding has stopped them as of yet.

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      7 months ago

      I noticed a meme channel on a discord exploding yesterday and looked inside to see a bunch of the same kiddos brainwashed by Kirk claiming the ‘left has a monopoly on violence’ and ‘all Charlie wanted was to teach people’ with zero sense of irony and refusal to accept actual quotes and videos of him very much doing the opposite.

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        I agree with this as well, I still have the app IFunny and since the incident yesterday all the memes posted and all the hourly features are just quotes of Charlie about the left and trans etc and all the comments are from people who support him and want violence.

    • Lemminary@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      We all know it was a blue-haired trans brown Mexican dog-eater from Haiti who couldn’t hold a gun to save their life. Who else could’ve done it?

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      motherfucker could’ve died of a ruptured appendix and they’d still probably claim Bill Gates remote-detonated a microchip in his bloodstream to do it

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      He donated a dollar in the grocery store checkout line to a children’s hospital when he was 12, proving he’s always been a Commie socialist.

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    Anyone surprised that Trump makes statements based on a complete lack of evidence? He will surely use it for propaganda and whatever else is yet to come…

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      I doubt that. The Reichstag fire was way more grand and symbolic an act that was used to justify an even bigger power grab. This was just a moron who advocated living by the sword who ended up dying by it.

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    Did anyone seriously expect him to do anything other than to use a murder for political gain? When has he ever shown that he is anything other than a contemptable piece of dog shit?

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      I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t announced merch on his site to commemorate the moment and bank off of it at the same time. I feel like they had crap for sale when he got shot at within like 15 minutes.

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    It’s the political rhetoric on both sides of that are driving people to extreme actions. The news is just feeding everyone’s fears and social media is helping.

    Just look at Reddit and Lemmy celebrating the death of a person. Mainly due to his political views. I keep seeing people post what he stated about the 2nd amendment and some deaths will occur. Even after this incident, I would wager he still believes in 2nd amendment.

    The person committing the act of violence with an instrument (gun, knife, etc) is the problem. You don’t blame a drunk drivers vehicle for the deadly accident. You blame the person who was irresponsible and knowingly committed a crime.

    • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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      Mainly due to his political views.

      I am just curious, what exactly were these political views? And why do you think they are legitimate and not demagoguery?

      The reason I am asking is that while living in the US, the impression I got is that most polemicists were demagogues. It was a method to get money, grifting so to speak.

      This was a while ago, but I vividly remember several nominally anti-abortion politicians getting caught getting their mistresses pregnant and then pressuring the mistresses to get an abortion.

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      Any extreme political rhetoric you’ve noticed on the left is a direct consequence and in reaction to extreme political actions undertaken by the right.

      Fuck around and find out. It’s really easy to just not fuck around and spread hate and violence everywhere you go, believe it or not. Kirk got what he wanted and worked towards inflicting on others.

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      A vehicle’s main purpose is transportation. It has to be misused or weaponized to kill.

      A gun’s purpose is to kill. If you pull the trigger, whether you want it or not, you are firing a bullet designed to be as lethal as possible.

      So yes, I blame guns.

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      Gun control is an issue you could reasonably go on either side on, but “it’s fine if we have a mass shooting every week if it means we get to keep our guns” is not. Neither is, you know, all the other fascist shit he was spouting.

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    7 months ago

    I mean, don’t Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum regularly say things along the lines of if someone on the left was murdered, they would applaud it?

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    Conspiracy time: Charlie Kirk has been sacrificed by his own political party. It’s a false flag to blame the “radical left”, and no suspect will ever actually be identified. It makes democratic politicians continue to look out of touch as they condemn “political violence” across the board. And of course, it distracts all the lovely people demanding access to THE EPSTEIN FILES. Stay focused, everyone 🙂

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      And of course, it distracts all the lovely people demanding access to THE EPSTEIN FILES. Stay focused, everyone 🙂

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    The fact that he was the one that broke the news before all major media, and the fact that he’s doing his level best to railroad the narrative, makes me more and more suspicious that the whole fucking thing was orchestrated.

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      If that were true, I doubt they’d off Charlie Kirk, he’s too valuable. He was essentially the replacement for Rush Limbaugh, and would be their prime recruiter and indoctrinator for the next several decades. Now they have to figure out a new recruiter.

      Whoever did this was thinking very strategically. I like it.

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        He started asking about the epstein files again. IMO this is how they fire right wing grifters. Especially if they use this to start a war with another country

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          Okay, I could see that. Killing CK sends a message to other outspoken Epstein critics to STFU, as well as give them a pretense to go after the Left.

          Sure, whatever, I’m open to any explanation that keeps the real shooter from being held responsible, just like Luigi. They’re a hero, whoever they are. I hope they aren’t finished.

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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        No, now they have a martyr. Maybe it was a DIY martyr, is my point. Charlie Kirk as a martyr for their cause is probably going to be more of a powerful and flexible thing long-term than Charlie Kirk as a psychopathic fascist influencer.

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          Fascists see expression of power and killing as rights of the elite. They want the gun losses to be school children. Charlie kirk being skillfully killed is breaking the illusion of their every-man-for-himself victory of the superior.

          The only reason I can think the powers to be would benefit from killing him is to start a war with like mexico or something.

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          I really really think people over estimate the power of martyrdom.

          Do you know who Fred Hampton was? If not, proves my point. I think most people don’t know who he was, and he definitely would have done more for the world if he hasn’t been assassinated.

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            Yeah, martyrdom is over-rated. It worked when people thought martyrs would be the source of miracles, but now it’s what? A propaganda tool? They have much better tools than that pointing to a dead guy.

            No, Charlie Kirk had taken Rush Limbaugh’s position as MAGAs primary recruitment and indoctrination officer. He was instrumental in creating young male conservatives. He was very young, and like Rush, could have held that position for decades, bringing millions into the movement.

            Now that’s finished, and they will have to groom a new recruiter. It looked like Ben Shapiro for awhile, but Kirk passed him up. Now they’ll have to back to their bench and try to prop up someone new.

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            Hampton was black, and was assassinated when the government was kinda-sorta actively trying to tamp down on civil rights.

            Kirk was white, and was assassinated when the government was kinda-sorta actively trying to stir up white suprematist and fascist sentiment.

            They are not analogous situations.

  • D_C@sh.itjust.works
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    Orange Shitbasket uses a person’s death to distract his involvement in raping little children.

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    Of course he does. Pile the sins upon the scape goat before you exile it from the village.

    All he wants is for his people to do some revenge for him against those who reject him. So yeah he’ll stoke that flame.