I used to seed in the old days, but I feel it has become more complicated now.
The primary issue (before eg.: CGNAT or port-opening issues) is it’s become more and more often the case that I post-process what I download before use (rename / reencode music albums, reencode movies) so it makes little sense to keep the old files only for seeding. In theory a “seedbox” (those are the trendy thing this decade, right?) would help solve this, but I’m still rather new and have not found any FOSS, PII-free offerings in the market.
Exactly this. I don’t need 1080P or 4k mp4 rips with 10bit audio, and I definitely don’t have the storage for it, but when that’s all that is seeding, its usually quicker to just download it and re-encode.
This pretty much. I’ve never understood the point of something like
The_Avengers.[4K][8K][16][Dolby_7.18_3D][128subs].mkv… what, do people want to take note of The Hulk’s groin warts?For stuff like animation content, even 720p is too much unless it’s content from the last ~5 years. Anything before Infinity Train does pretty well on 540p or 480p with 96k audio, and if I’m looking for a movie from the 80s, let alone a black-and-white from the 50s, I’m certainly not interested in a 8K rip that would naturally have to be an AI upscale.
I kinda started a “seedbox” for at least my niche torrents. Most of the mainstream things I download I don’t normally leave to seed that long as there’s already plenty seeding, but a lot of the documentaries or other things that only have single or double digits seeding I’ll make a copy and leave it to seed for a while. I used to host my Plex server from that PC and when I build my new dedicated server I left the storage intact, but transferred my whole library over, so I have a large amount of unused space doing nothing else.
I’m also fairly new to all this. I’m now using Jellyfin for selfhosting. What’s the benefit of enencoding everything?
In my experience at least, the two primary benefits (and sometimes, the only benefits) of re-encoding are 1.- reduced file size and 2.- increased device compatibility.
The file size is relevant because you can fit more stuff for essentially the same quality: reencoding a FLAC album to ~160k Opus uses up only 1/5th to 1/4th of the space, ~196k Opus is 1/4th to 1/3rd of the space, so it can be a pretty good gain on aggregate. A movie in 4K is worth nearly 6 movies in 1080p and nearly 9 movies in 720p, and for ~95% of extant content in the world rebasing down from 4K to at least 1080p presents no practical loss.
The compatibility is usually only relevant when you want to have that content be easily accessible in eg.: a remote media server, a streaming system, or one of those gool ol’reliable MP3 thumbsticks. In those cases, you’d be reencoding audio from FLAC to MP3 to increase device compatibility (and getting some decent space savings too). If your Jellyfin server’s connection is over wifi or you’ll access the data outside of your local network, re-encoding to lower sizes means transmission requires less bandwidth, as well as other savings (incl.: energy consumption in aggregate).
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I have an *arr suite back at home (and had one back at work, once). It’s quite local yes but I feel that to be to its advantage in this case since it’s for downloading, not uploading. No advantage if I want to reencode, since in an *arrsetup you just post-process the files as usual and remove the originals. OTOH, you can easily connect it to your Jellyfin, mpd, etc…, but by that point I just connect the folder with the post-processed stuff.
I would seed if people ever used me. I only have so much space, and everytime I try to seed, there’s either nobody downloading, or theirs a hundred other seeders.
Have you checked if you have the port used by your torrent software forwarded?
I can’t seed even though I want to because my vpn
Do certain providers block uploading but allow downloading or something?
Most VPN Providers block Port forwarding, so I’m guessing that would be the cause here.
That alone does not prevent seeding. One can absolutely seed and leech without port forwarding, they will just have fewer connections than they would with port forwarding set up.
All I know is I got plenty of torrents I’ve been running for weeks+ with plenty of peers still at 0.00
If I understand right, it’s just VPN to VPN that won’t work.
If the downloader has an open port, I can still connect and pump them full of data.
I have now a ratio of 9.1 and 250TB of uploaded…
Also my hard drive is getting full. I guess I have to clean up some torrents soon.
Or buy new storage
Thank you for your service.
Buy more storage. Cheers. Awesome ratio.
Buy more storage, but also… join private trackers when they open signups. You’d be amazing there.
I never really understood private trackers TBH or rather the reason behind them. I like the idea of publicly sharing more anyway
The advantage of private trackers is that:
- torrents almost always have seeds
- you can ask for re-seeds in case they aren’t
- torrents have a good quality
- you’re less likely to receive a complaint letter from copyright holders
There are some niche private trackers which have an active community that handle quality and requests. Also they don’t let just anyone create a torrent, so you can have assurances that the files have been vetted to some extent and you’re not going to download something unexpected.
Already there
Public tracker: You are the hero, getting a 30:1 upload ratio in a mere 30 days. “Wow, this shit is easy!”
Private tracker: “Please… can this torrent even reach 10% upload? It’s been an ENTIRE YEAR! I have 500 torrents in the same state!”
Most private trackers have some sort of bonus point system now where you earn points per hour of seeding per torrent, regardless of how much data you actually upload. You can then use those points to buy upload credit and raise your ratio
They have to. It’s a requirement, or everybody would quit in protest.
that’s a minimum of 27TB of storage, what kind of monster is your computer?
HDDs are getting massive. You could almost store all that on a single drive right now.
Nothing “almost” about it. Retail drives are available right now at 30tb. Although, the more reasonable price/GB is at around 8tb with occasional outliers.
Yeah i knew they were coming but last I saw they’d only released them in the mid 20TB range and was too lazy to look it up.
coughs in 50TB
Huh?
That are only 3 hard drives.
I bought myself parts for TrueNas.
1000 where half of it was the storage.
Thats really not that big in terms of a NAS. Some crazy fuckers on reddit had literal PETABYTES of storage.
To be fair tho, those people are an extreme outlier.
Yeah. Normal people have about 100tb of total space. My 96tb (64tb usable) of space is completely average and not at all an indicator of something being wrong or abnormal.
Maybe for Americans storage falls from trees, could you share what is this normal supermarket where I can buy 100tb of total space?
Oh. I was joking. I’m aware that my storage capabilities really are an outlier, even though I still feel inadequate whenever I go to a hoarding community.
I’ve spent around 1200$ USD since I started collecting things back on 2021, which is about 300/year, or 25/month. I don’t expect to purchase anymore for another three years or so, right around when a 24tb drive drops to 150/each. It’s still not like, super cheap or anything though.
Not saying its wrong, but most people probably don’t even approach 10tb. 100tb+ is definitely not the norm. Normies balk at my 50tb, and I’m definitely on the low end of data hoarding.
No one wants my seed.
People should learn how to seed. If you don’t want to seed, just pay for Usenet.
It’s a shame Usenet has become fully paid. It’s what ultimately pushed me into torrents. And the fact that small communities don’t have all the content out there for you to download via Usenet.
Downloading large files from Usenet was paid pretty early on. If the core functionality of Usenet is now paid, this is news to me.
What do you consider large files? Isn’t the article size usually limited to something like 1mb (it’s been a while since I used Usenet)?
So it would technically be about the number of articles rather than the eventual size of the combined archive? At the core it’s all still text right?
Pirated media(images, movies, ebooks, ROMs) uses binary posts, not text. There are different limits and retention policies for binary versus text articles, and most Usenet servers, particularly cheap or free ones, don’t host a lot of the categories a pirate would want at all.
Please don’t imply that all Usenet providers facilitate piracy.
Thanks for the pointer! I took the opportunity to learn a bit about more recent NNTP by reading the standard: RFC 3977. It looks like nntp v2 circa 2006 added MIME encoding, so I would guess that may be how a service provider would differentiate.
I haven’t used Usenet since the turn of the century. Back then it was all text (including every article under alt.binaries), and even pirated media needed to be split into a multi-part format (often rar) then each part uuencoded so it could be included in an article.
I mean, you made me look at it again myself, as the multi-part rar files on Usenet are still very much a thing. The allowable “article” sizes for binary content are larger than for text articles, but still too small for video or high-quality audio.
There weren open test servers though and sites with limited trials but no data limit.
That’s what I used back in the day. Sadly all these trial offers are gone now and demand credit card information upfront.
Magical times before my own on Usenet.
My dialup ISP in the 90s included Usenet.
Isn’t that what streamio effectively does?
Yep. And that’s why I hate those users. Damn leeches
I do think this is the real issue, these programs like Kodi and stremio do exactly that.
Question: does a debrid server avoid that? Do debrid providers seed?
My understanding is that debrid servers do not seed, which is the primary reason I’ve been turned off to the idea of using one
Hmm. Good to know. Though at least they only download once for multiple people
as a protonvpn user i can’t seed even if i want to :/
worst thing: if i turn off my vpn i’ll be abt. 2000€ poorer
switching to mullvad soon
I honestly don’t understand your comparison of providers… Proton has port forwarding (with all paid packages afaik) which Mullvad discontinued? Is there something I’m missing?
i can definitely seed with proton, though ive been using a seedbox fos everything recently
Yeah, I’m on Proton with a port forwarded, no problem at all seeding, which is why I’m confused… I moved to Proton to get forwarding after Mullvad dropped it.
Please take a look at I2P. So much better then a VPN. And we need more seeders.
i’ll look into it! :) thx
Personally I enjoy seeing the numbers go up. Looking at the current top ten by ratio according to my torrent client most of them are obscure things that I’m probably the only one seeding — but the number one spot, at a ratio of 565, goes to “Shrek (2001) [1080p]”.
Damn, I am only at a ratio of like 10 from some season packs of Chuck and The Mentalist. 565 is crazy!
I was over 900 on several torrents before switching clients about a year ago. I have a few in the 300s now.
Eh, mine’s
linuxmint-20-cinnamon-64bitMine is a odd Xbox torrent with like a 39 ratio. Everything else is like a 2.5 or 3 ratio max.
My Linux Mint 22 iso currently has a ratio of 11908.34 over the last year and a bit.
Edit:
linuxmint-22.2-cinnamon-64bit.isois gaining fast with a ratio of 314 in just two weeks.
I love seeding.
Maybe one day ProtonVPN will fix their port-forwarding for their configuration files, I haven’t seen anyone else complain about this and their support is oblivious that this function even exists.


For people wondering the Learn More link just tells you what port forwarding does.
Looking at the docs, it seems like that toggle enables UPnP, so the rest of the setup should be on the torrent client to announce that it needs an external port, and the VPN and torrent client should handle things from there. Maybe you can lookup the docs for your torrent client and see if there’s anything extra to use UPnP?
I mean I’ll give it a try, their support flat out said they don’t support port forwarding for WireGuard configs which is why I never used the feature, but if it’s truly using UPnP than it may be worth a shot!

As for router setups, the Port Forwarding feature is unfortunately not yet officially tested and supported, therefore, I will be unable to provide any specific steps for setting it up and creating a port mapping on your Asus router, nor guarantee that this specific scenario would work as intended. Our team will consider testing it on router setups as well in the future, however, at this moment, I am unable to provide any specific time-frames or further details. I apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you.
Edit: https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding-manual-setup#wireguard looks promising!
I have given up on proton. My subscription is ending soon and I’ll be switching to airvpn
Try taking a look at the way glueten implements port forwarding with protonvpn. Hopefully it helps you piece together a script that works for your setup.
https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun/discussions/2686
https://github.com/qdm12/gluetun-wiki/blob/main/setup/advanced/vpn-port-forwarding.md
Can you nmap to find it as a workaround? Just thinking out loud, never fiddled with it directly.
You guys go out and talk to girls? Disgusting, they have cooties.
Ones with pp are peak
tragedy of the Commons, with external pressure to boot.
Unfortunately my VPN provider doesn’t support Port Forwarding (they’re great in everything else, but suck on this) so if I just start seeding from scratch no peers will ever manage to connect to my machine. The only way I can contribute back to the community is when a Download session ends and starts seeding (basically all those peers that my machine checked during the download stage get recorded in the VPN’s Router NAT as associated with my machine so if they try to connect to my machine later, for example to download a block, they get through), so my torrents are just left to seed after downloading (if I stop it and start seeding later, it might not work anymore depending on how long has passed).
Fortunatelly I have a fast internet connection and torrenting is done in a server machine, so I just leave it setup to a 2:1 seeding ratio for as long as it takes to get there and pretty much all torrents I download reach that seeding ratio (it pretty much only fails to reach that on really obscure torrents with very small swarms).
I’ve been sailing the high seas for over 3 decades and long ago saw the importance of doing my bit to keep the whole ecosystem alive.
So I might not be seeding everything I have (and as it’s been 3 decades, I do have some stuff which is now very obscure), but everything I get from the community I seed 2x as much so that others can get it too.
Does your ISP not give your router a public (even if dynamic) IP? If not, then after your router you’d be double-natted right? Yuck!
My ISP does give my router a public IP.
However my VPN provider does not give my client machines public IPs and instead gives them internal IPs.
So from any machine in my home, my normal (via ISP) connection is via my own router (which does NAT for all machines in my home network and which I fully control) which has a public IP address on its external interface (so, no double NAT), whilst a VPN connection is via the VPN provider’s router (as that’s what’s on the other end of the VPN pipe) which also does NAT, but that router I don’t control and the VPN provider I use doesn’t allow Port Forwarding hence all the trickery I described above to make sure I actually seed more than I download.
Around here ISPs giving internal addresses is not very common unless it’s on a mobile connection.
I’ve been trying to understand port forwarding since I keep seeing that I need to set it up for my torrent client to work reliably. But I read that it sends your traffic “outside” of your VPN encryption. Doesn’t it kind of defeat the purpose or am I understanding it wrong?
In a VPN your own machine sits behind a Router from the VPN provider in a NAT configuration (meaning that during VPN tunnel initialization that router gives your machine an IP address from one of the so-called “internal” IP address range - most commonly one in the 192.168.x.x range - which are NOT valid to have visible in the Internet) and which multiple machines all over the world sitting behind other routers can use at the same time (for example: even though it only has 254 valid addresses, there are probably millions of machines running right now with an IP address in the 192.168.1.x range, which is by far the most popular range of internal IP addresses).
The IP address which is visible on the actual Internet has to be one which is not from an internal range or other kinds of special ones, and that’s the one that the VPN provider Router shows to the outside. (There are a few “tell me my IP address” websites out there which will let you know what that address is).
This is also how home routers work in providing multiple machines in your home access to the internet even though its on a single ISP connection which has only one IP address valid for the Internet.
To make all this work, such routers do something called NAT-Translation: connection requests from the INSIDE to the OUTSIDE go to the router, which changes ip:port information of those requests from the internal ip and a port in that machine to be the router external ip and a port the router has available, and then forwards the request the outside. The router also records this association between the external machine, the port the router used for it and the internal machine and the port on it the connection came from, on an internal table so that when the OUTSIDE machine connects to the router on that specific port, the router treats that inbound connection request as associated to the earlier outbound request and does the reverse translation - it forwards that inbound request to the internal machine and port of the original outbound connection.
However - all this only works when your machine first connects from the inside to an machine on the outside, because that’s when the router translates the IP address and Port and memorizes that association. If however you gave the IP address in some other way to that remote machine other than connecting to it via the router (for example, you have registered a Domain Name pointing to it, or you just gave the IP address and port number to a friend and told them “this is my Jellyfin machine”), any connection coming from the outside will not be routed by the router to your machine, because the router never had an original outbound connection to make the association for any return inbound connections: from its point of view some random machine is trying to connect to one if its ports and it simply doesn’t know which internal machine and on which port on it is supposed to get this connection from that unknown external machine.
Also all this is dynamic - after a while of one such association not being used, the router will remove it from memory.
Port Forwarding is a static way to explicitly configure in a router that all connections arriving at a specific port of the router are ALWAYS to be forwarded to a specific internal machine and a specific port on that machine.
Given that the association is static, you can give the outside world in any way you like without involving the router (for example, listing in some kind of shared list, which is what the Torrent protocol does), the IP of the router + the forwarded router port, as the address for a “service” that’s running on your internal machine, and any request coming from the outside on that port even if your machine never connected to that remote machine, ever gets forwarded to the internal machine and the port you configured there.
With port forwarding you can for example host your own website behind a VPN or in a home machine that’s not directly connected to the internet because any requests coming into a specific port on the router that does have a direct connection to the internet always get forward to that machine and the port on it you configured.
In the old days Port Forwarding had to be manually configured on the Router (for example, via a web-interface), but nowadays there is a protocol called uPNP that lets programs running on your machine automatically request that the router sets up a Port Forwarding for them so this is often done transparently, which how most networked applications sitting on a machine at home behind a home routers, work just fine since those routers always support port forwarding.
PS: All this shit is actually one enormous hack, that only exists because IPv4 doesn’t have sufficient IP addresses for all Internet connected machines in the World. The newer IPv6 does have more than enough, so it’s theoretically possible that all your machines get a valid Internet IPv6 address and are thus directly reachable without any NAT on the router and associated problems. However I’m not sure if VPN provides which do support IPv6 actually have things set-up to just give client machines a direct, valid on the Internet IP address, plus a lot of protocols and applications out there still only work with IPv4 (byte . byte . byte . byte) addresses.
Never turn on uPnP for external use, its a way to let hackers manipulate your network. It should never have existed as an option.
You should have pretty much everything on your router disabled for access from machines on the external network side of the router.
The typical example is the web admin interface, which should never be enabled for access from outside, only for access from machines on your internal network. The same applies to all other sorts of control interface, be they human interfaces or machine interfaces.
For any machines reaching it from the outside network interface the router should look the same as the most basic, dumbest router there is with no way to configure or control it.
So, yeah, enabling uPnP for external use is asking to be hacked, probably worse even that enabling the web admin interface for external access since the latter usually has username:password authentication, which although pretty crap (most people don’t even know its there and leave it at default and when not it often has character limitations that make it guessable or possible to brute force) it’s still way better than NO AUTHENTICATION WHATSOEVER which is what uPnP has.
Our ISP ships new routers that are admined from the cloud via a phone app. Its a disaster waiting to happen, so I told them I’m keeping my old outdated modem as a bridge and bought my own router.
Yeah, I do the same thing.
Curiously, the installer of my ISP - which is one of the smaller ISPs around here - says it’s very common for their clients to just want the ISP’s box to do bridging (or even just act as a Fiber-modem) and use their own router behind it.
Guess the techies tend to flock to the more obscure ISPs that pretty much just provide “data pipe to the Internet” rather than use the big ISPs which tend to do stuff like push their own TV Boxes and even bundles of Home Internet + TV + Mobile.
I am very happy with this ISP - cheap, fast, reliable, no bullshit.
Yeah we had the bundle from a big ISP, home phone, TV, and unlimited internet and 10 email addresses. As kids moved out etc. We dumped home phone, and TV, just internet now as a bridge. I’d move to another provider but I still have 5 people using the email addresses; and for mine I’m slowly moving all my signups and bills over to another email so we can eventually make an easy switch.
Thank you for taking the time writing all this up for me. That makes me glad I asked because most info I was finding with google-foo was telling me to set up port forwarding the old way with my router and not really doing a good job of laying out how and why it works to begin with. After having switched from Tribbler to a client that has uPNP, now I think I understand why I’m struggling with it less. I’m unsure if my Soulseek is connected and sending data right but this gives me some better ideas of how to find out.
There are clients with a “stop seeding” button that works prior to finishing the download. Just sayin’. Still seeds while it’s active, but stops right after.
This is how you end up with a 99.7% completed gzip of bob Dylan’s entire catalog and have to restart on a new, uncompressed stream that’s 10x larger
Fortunately the significantly improved download speed from the 6 heroic always-online seeders mitigated your concerns somewhat. But where were they before?





















