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As a European, can someone explain to me why Bernie Sanders has never been running for president?
he did in 2016. dems sabotaged him in favour of Hillary
He was also in 2020 primaries. Same deal IIRC
Besides running advertisements against him, what did “the dems” do to sabotage his campaign?
Coordinated for all the centrists except Biden to drop out at the same time, while Warren and Sanders split the vote of the progressive wing. When it looked like Sanders had a decent shot at actually getting the nomination, all the centrists except Biden dropped out simultaneously and endorsed him. Biden won the nomination due to a giant DNC-coordinated rat-fucking.
They also fucked with the caucuses
Barbara Boxer giving the middle finger to Bernie supporters while exiting the rigged 2016 Nevada convention:
https://youtube.com/shorts/ob2oILFESog
The Boxer video was difficult to find, it seems to have been pretty thoroughly scrubbed from the internet.
But we remember, don’t we kids?
Unpopular opinion but that sounds like a skill issue when the progressives could’ve done the same thing. And I say this as a Bernie voter.
Hmmm im thinking it has more to do with him not capitulating to billionaire interests. That sounds a lot like Hillary saying “no one wants to work with him”
Were there enough progressives in the right positions of power to make that happen, though?
One advantage that centrist / establishment types have is that they are everywhere and people are used to them. And they sometimes actually coordinate when the status quo gets threatened.
And I say this as a Bernie voter.
If everyone who “says this as a Bernie voter” had actually voted for Bernie, We’d be in the first year of his 2016 running mate’s administration.
Bruh, you’re really going to accuse me of lying about voting for an extremely popular left-wing candidate on a left-wing social media platform?
Well he took his time with that one.
AOC next?
“If you want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like, open your eyes.”
I’m sure his office is getting some phone calls from some very powerful people today
Hopefully they’ll all be politely refused
He doesn’t “call” it genocide, it is factually genocide.
But hey. Remember Israel is a democracy!The bar is in hell
I legitimately have no idea how that man keeps going. Pretty sure I would’ve hung my hat up after the first 3 or 4 decades when things kept getting worse.
Honestly, when you’re fighting for what’s right, it makes it more bearable when it’s hard. There’s not this extensive hesitation or heavy weight, like when you’re struggling with some frustrating task that isn’t really what needs to be done in the first place.
No centrist will ever call it a genocide, but people are sure angry that a man who introduced multiple bills to cease or condition weapons sales didn’t say the word as soon as they wanted.
These are the same people who called people trumpers when they said that harris should show some daylight between herself and biden’s “whatever netanyahu-senpai wants” policies.
yea its been going on since he was like 7 years old. took long enough to say it out loud.
If you’re gonna look at a bigger timescale, you’re really asking for a “both sides” argument. Its such a long and complicated conflict.
Yeah that was my undereducated take too. Time to wake up from years of propaganda my friend.
Thanks for the comment. It helped me a lot in changing my view. With al the new information and all the great arguments and the respectful communication…
Look i know that Lemmy is not helpful in educating yourself or even in having good conversations but if it is a topic you are interested in, you might pick up a book about it. I recommend “The hundred years’ war on palestine” by Rashid Khalidi. Very informational also about the shortcomings of the PLO and other palestinian orginanisations.
You do not have to be educated in everything or even anything. When i said what i said i did not mean to insult you. I am only beginning to learn about the history of palestine but it has been eye opening.
Don’t let heated comments and downvotes get to you personally. People are just in rage about all the death and destruction in which the west is more than complicit.
This
Back then maybe technically it wasn’t a genocide just yet, but I recall watching news on tv as an 8 year old, talking about Israeli soldiers shooting and murdering children because they threw rocks at them.
Nothing was done about it
That was over 40 years ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Definitely was a thing then too
I’m more concerned about the people who don’t want to condemn genocide than the people who are cautious about using the term.
Good for Bernie.
Berni called a genocide, a genocide. Shocking.
Fuck me…and they said that this guy is a huge leftist.
Hes basically the most left person in US government
In the senate*
Rashida Tlaib has been calling out israels bullshit since day one, and is left of Bernie on a couple other issues like abolishing ice.
True good call
The most Left in the current Congress is still Right wing.
Bernie is still a capitalist.
He is literally a socialist.
Edit: Here he is in 1985: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTKpMh5jQI
He literally isn’t, though, because being anti-capitalist is the starting point for Socialism. He’s just comfortable with actual Socialism. Which most Americans aren’t thanks to propaganda.
Not to knock the guy. I voted for him the one time I was allowed to. He’s easily one of the best of a bad bunch.
But at best he’s a Social Democrat, which just means he’s Left of most Dems, but given how the Overton window has shifted over the course of his lifetime, post-Reagan that’s not saying much.
Again, not knocking the guy, but he really dropped the ball with Palestine and AIPAC.
Did he switch back to being an Independent? I thought I saw that a while ago.
Anyway, good talk. Thanks.
Dude watch some of the videos where back in the 80s he was going to Nicaragua and Cuba and coming back and talking on TV about their socialist system and how much better it was than the US system. Search for “bernie sanders 1985” or “bernie sanders 1986” on YouTube, there are a bunch. He is a socialist. This whole “left of MOST Dems” thing is incredibly disingenuous.
Switch “back” to being an independent? He’s always been an independent. He ran in the Democratic primary one time, and almost won. That’s it. He’s an independent. You’re trying very hard to paint him into this Democratic-party corner, why?
He “really dropped the ball with Palestine” how? By getting on the Senate floor and yelling about military aid and showing pictures of starving children, repeatedly fighting for bills which would remove Israel’s funding and haranguing everyone to vote for them? That’s “dropped the ball”? How did he drop the ball?
Doesn’t make him a huge leftist though.
Yeah but he was a HUGE VOICE for saying “Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism” a few years back, which did A LOT towards others being able to be heard when calling it a Genocide.
Here he is in 1988:
It seems kind of tame by today’s standards. I think that has more to do with the fact that he’s super-Jewish, he was completely comfortable with talking about socialism and Cuba and things in a way that was so far off the left side of the map at the time that it was out of the building. But by the standards of that time it was absolutely insane. This was years before the Rodney King jury said “not guilty,” this was back when we were doing our own Gaza-lite operations in Central America, it was a time when America could do no wrong and anyone who didn’t like us was a terrorist. He actually talks about that in one other interview which I think I posted in another comment, how he met with the Sandinistas and how the media in the US made it totally impossible for them to get any message that was at all friendly to them to anybody in the US.
More recently, here’s a video of him yelling (for the however-manyth time) recently on the Senate floor about what a fucking horror we are enabling in Gaza, showing pictures. “This is an effort to destroy a people.”
You have to remember that Sanders grew up in Brooklyn in the 40s/50s. He would have encountered holocaust survivors on a daily basis. For guys like that, Israel represented a safeguard against the possible extermination of their people. The fact he’s gone from being broadly supportive if Israel (though being pretty critical of the Netanyahu government) to admitting that this is a genocide shows pretty huge growth.
It’s certainly his biggest weakness and blindspot. He’s Jewish and has always been a liberal zionist. This isn’t to excuse the bad position, but the genocide really puts it into sharp contrast.
A quick search will reveal that Sanders has been critical of Israel’s actions in Palestine since at least 2014 but okay.
You can be a critic of Israel and still be a zionist. That’s kind of exactly what a liberal zionist is.
You can also be Jewish without being Zionist.
And I haven’t even addressed the “liberal” claim, which is absolutely laughable. Sanders has been a socialist since the 70’s. I understand that he looks further left from a US perspective than a global one, but the only people who would call him a “liberal” are the far-right US idiots who don’t know what that word means.
I very specifically mean he is a “liberal zionist” as a complete thought. Obviously being Jewish and a Zionist are different concepts, but there’s obviously overlap. He does want to continue the ethnostate as a way to protect jews after the holocaust, just less violently with more civil rights.
In general I agree he is a socialist with some liberal tendencies likely as an outcome of being a US politician.
It’s almost like he’s a fully fledged, complex human being and not an avatar of one side of a highly simplified model of political thought.
He’s quite “left-wing” (from a US Overton Window) on most issues. MTG was relatively early speaking out for Palestine. That doesn’t make her a leftist, either
He’s also Jewish, and a prominent politician in a field where Jewish lobbying is extensive, so him speaking out against Israel is a big line for him to cross.
He’s been speaking out against Israel since the 1980s. Not just speaking, but standing up in congress and yelling about it. There was just a little artificial construction where him calling it “ethnic cleansing” instead of “genocide” represented a reason why he was actually pro Israel, which was always a fucking bonkers take on it.
A few years ago he said “Criticizing Israel is not antisemitic” - this REALLY HELPED criticism be heard at all.
Wow, a big step for Sanders. This shows it is becoming more mainstream to acknowledge the genocide. I know it’s common sense for us here, but mainstream acceptance is extremely important here. A long way to go, but this is good news
Maybe he was waiting for the UN commission to officially call it a genocide.
BREAKING NEWS " Sanders calls genocide a “genocide”
