• shiroininja@lemmy.world
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    I guarantee the conditions at these African camps will be inhumane and murderous. They’re located in places already rife with conflict and cruelty. Places like Sudan, etc. It’s the point, to offshore human rights violations. Sounds familiar

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      Wow so brave. Buy a rifle and learn how to use it, memes aren’t revolution.

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        Why aren’t we shooting these Lemmy posts?!?!

        lol, like people can’t arm themselves whilst also taking 5 minutes to post.

        Are you eating? No! Shoot!
        Are you pooping? No! Shoot!
        Are you breathing? No! Shoot!

        Don’t reply to me, you should shoot!

        Stop doing what Lemmy is for, shoot your phone!!

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          They are literally posting a meme about asking the pedophile in chief to release the evidence in themselves. They are posting a meme about ineffective passive bullshit.

          That’s why I said what I said. I didn’t say you have to be shooting all the time, that’s a very silly interpretation.

          I’m on Lemmy, obviously, making a comment with a message: America needs a revolution, and a revolution can’t be won without guns when he releases the military on you.

          Had their message been something effective, I wouldn’t have said anything, but posting “release the files” memes on every post is not only ineffective, it’s also distracting from every awful thing he’s doing that’s more worthy of a revolution than simply being a known pedophile. He’s running the Nazi playbook page by page, you no longer have the freedom of speech, people are being sent to international concentration camps without trial, and you’re making memes to distract from what needs to happen: you need to revolt!

          An armed minority is harder to oppress, and those willing to stand up are a minority. You don’t need to shoot everything, I didn’t imply that and I’m not a violent gun nut, but you should at least know how to operate a rifle effectively and get some ammo while you can.

          Trans people are being targeted next, are you gonna protect them with “release the files” memes when the stories of what Trump is doing to them start coming out?

          That’s very brave.

      • hector@lemmy.today
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        But our courts now are so fucked that the lawyers will argue while it is cruel, it is not unusual because we are doing it all the time so therefore both of the terms of cruel and unusual aren’t met and the court has no business stepping in the way of our legitimate executive Authority.

        Disallowing courts from Nationwide injunctions was a huge decision that is not recognized as such yet, that shows you where the Supreme Court is going to allow this to go, straight into the abyss. They think the Republic is already dead and all but name.

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    This is murder with extra steps. The genocide has already started. I genuinely thought we had more time before it started…

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        We go four years of lessons about how the rich and connected live by a totally different set of rules and laws from those of us that are not rich or connected.

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        We need to start talking about how we’re going to hold these people accountable once this is all over. And we need to think of methods that bypass SCOTUS all together.

        I propose that we rendition ICE agents to the countries of their victims to face trial in foreign courts. Are you an ICE agent that sent a bunch of innocent Venezuelans off to die in a prison camp in Ghana? We’re shipping your ass to Venezuela to face trial for your crimes against Venezuelan citizens. Just bypass the US judicial system all together, same as Trump is doing. That way some future Republican president can’t just pardon these bastards, and we don’t have to worry about a criminally corrupt SCOTUS refusing to hold murderers accountable for their crimes.

        That’s the thing about crimes against immigrants. In theory you can be prosecuted in either their current country or their home country. If you harm an immigrant in the US, even if the US justice system is incapable of holding you accountable, you could simply be extradited to the home nation of your victim.

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          We need to start talking about how we’re going to hold these people accountable once this is all over. And we need to think of methods that bypass SCOTUS all together.

          Cowardice. You need to talk about how to stop it, but that’s too uncomfortable and cuts into your daily routine. Why the fuck are you only interested in doing something after you can’t save their lives anymore?

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          once this is all over

          We need to be talking about how to get all of this over with

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          I think it should be simple for ICE members: get the accounting books, see who is paid. Then execute them.

          It isn’t kind, but clearly the mercy of Reconstruction and the Nuremberg trials (About 210 Nazis executed) allowed the bastards to be rooted in the culture of their nations. They must be treated like weeds, else they will come back.

          The biggest worry here, is the books being falsified when the Hitlerites have clearly lost the war. They would likely add the names of their enemies to their books at the last minute. Hopefully, the Furry Hackers of the Allies would consistently obtain payment records, so that we can know when fake entries have been added.

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            They have to have due process but I agree that the punishments have been way too soft. The confederacy, the Jim Crow connected officials and the lynch mobs should have been dealt with after a trial with a jury made up of a jury of the community that they were targeting.

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              I figure that payment records is the closest we can get to due process. ICE wears masks to avoid retribution, and many of their victims will be killed to ensure their silence. Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out a better way to track ICE membership, but I can’t think of it.

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                Yeah but the point of due process (especially since you specifically mentioned executions), is to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the person did the thing they’re accused of.

                Otherwise, you make mistakes and you kill innocent people. Due process includes gathering the evidence you mentioned, but then also making sure that it’s real and valid and not just someone who didn’t like their neighbor so reported them or what have you

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                  Otherwise, you make mistakes and you kill innocent people.

                  There are no innocent employees collecting checks from DHS.

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                  That is why ICE is problematic, because they deliberately try to avoid being identified. At some point, we have to choose: do we allow many members of ICE live because of their duplicity, or do we remove them from society, despite not having much information?

                  It isn’t a great situation. That is why collecting records is important, so that we can obtain a reasonable justice. After having an answer of “Did they serve ICE?” of yes or no, it becomes possible to indict ICE as a class of war criminal. ICE certainly wouldn’t even bother to check for citizenship before sending children abroad without parents, court orders, nor consent, so it is reasonable to have a relatively low standard for whether ICE staff should die. They are effectively genocidal traffickers by choice, and at some point, the restraint of mercy becomes foolishness.

                  The evil of ICE is corrosive like that, it affects everyone in their vicinity. Unfortunately, an end to a civil war where ICE is allowed to live, just means that they get to continue corroding our humanity decades after, as would their families in the centuries to come. It is better to commit the evil of execution against ICE, in order to prevent their evil by choice from growing strong in the garden of our society.

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          Maybe, just maybe, you should consider withdrawing the ‘The Hague invasion act’, join the ICC treaty and send all those thugs (beginning with the Fuhrer himself, if he is still alive) to The Hague.

          Worked well with Milosevic. It’s working well with Duterte. Would work with the Orange Fuhrer and his goons.

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          Hey? Unreal you blokes.

          First you tell people from other countries to mind their own business when they tell you to take part in the easy method of dealing with it, then double down on it. Now you think other countries, who you told to mind their own business, should deal with those subhumans because you blokes can’t deal with it at the polling booth nor within the judiciary. As you point out, you don’t have to worry then, because someone else is dealing with it.

          At not one single point in this does the US take responsibility, it’s all palmed off to other nations. Developing ones at that.

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      Everyone for the past 8 years have been saying “The shit is right around the fucking corner! Please, get ready for it, so we can fight back when it does arrive!”

      Jan 6th was the Beer Hall Putsch. And those telling everyone this, and explaining the historical context and lessons were met with derisive remarks. We also warned the Dems that pushing Biden, and then Harris, into the running for POTUS was a dangerous move, and prone to failing. Then, we were accused of “helping Trump”.

      Like, the knowledge of how close we were was widely available. It was ignored. Why do you think “Defund the police” was considered a “middle ground” for those on the left? Notice who is doing the gestapo work? Cops.

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    Slaves.

    Don’t kid yourself these people are being sold as slaves. That’s why they’re being sent to these countries. We are selling slaves.

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      The forefathers who…owned slaves? Let’s be real here I’m sure they would be questioning why they aren’t just being enslaved here, the forefathers were all violent racist old white dudes who were pissed they could not get super rich by skirting taxes from the British. Let’s not act like they are some beacon of morality and freedom when they were not.

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      The Founding Fathers literally wrote about this exact kind of shit in the Declaration of Independence. Among the grievances they listed against King George:

      For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

      For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

      For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

      For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

      One of the grievances was that for certain offenses, American colonists weren’t tried in courts located in the colonies, where they had support systems and would face a jury of their peers. Instead people, many of whom had never even been to England, would be shoved on a boat, sailed months across the sea, and then face trial in London.

      Seriously, go through the Declaration of Independence and its list of grievances against King George. Trump has flagrantly violated the majority of them.

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        You forgot some of the highlights, and critically, one of the biggest reasons: The king didn’t allow colonists to do a full genocide of indigenous peoples.

        Hence the declaration that no movement past the Appalachians was allowed.

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          Try to avoid bean soup discourse. It’s not productive. Yes, there are other grievances listed in the Declaration, some more important than the ones I listed. But they’re not relevant to the topic at hand. No need to derail a conversation to switch to a completely different issue

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        Maybe when enough spouses have been deported to Africa, and enough farmers have committed suicide, these bigoted jackanapes might finally start to glimpse what is happening.

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          Nope, I don’t think they will. It’s quite truly too late for them - some might, but enough people have truly made Trump and Trump’s GOP part of who they are that they will never ever change their minds.

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        This is honestly the first time I’ve ever been grateful for the Third Amendment (barring quartering of soldiers in private homes) in my entire life.

        Not that they won’t just ignore it if/when they need to.

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        Grievance 10: “He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.”

        That is ICE.

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    Worthless opposition to challenge it too. And judges prevented from issuing Nationwide injunctions from systematic betrayals of Law and Constitution.

    Leaving everyone defacto vulnerable, Constitution or no, because they can be prevented from filing a case, or it being heard.

    People voted for deportations of illegals, not to send illegal immigrants to foreign prisons for life without charge. But we have no lawmakers that will make an effective public case against this

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      People voted for deportations of illegals, not to send illegal immigrants to foreign prisons for life without charge. But we have no lawmakers that will make an effective public case against this

      Lets not fool ourselves. This is exactly what they wanted and voted for.

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        People absolutely do not support exporting people to concentration camps overseas without charge to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

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      Lawmakers are representatives of the people. The people are where the power lies, and where the will to change things has to come from. The American people need to stop waiting for someone else to stop this.