Like fuck all the proprietary junk and versioning, and just have a bare bones HTML ASCII extranet designed to be simple and without any bugs to patch? Obviously a naive question.
But seriously, the 56k dialup world with Napster GeoCities and AOL Instant Messenger was better. Add capacitive touch screens, current data throughput infra, and lithium batteries to 1999 and we are peak Matrix internet territory. Yahoo and net navigator were better than chrome stalkerware and google digislaver fascism.
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I manage a dozen websites and they all load fine without JavaScript.
What are you doing to fix this problem?
The 512KB Club is a collection of performance-focused web pages from across the Internet. To qualify your website must satisfy both of the following requirements:
- It must be an actual site that contains a reasonable amount of information, not just a couple of links on a page (more info here).
- Your total UNCOMPRESSED web resources must not exceed 512KB.
https://geminiprotocol.net/
(The site’s certificate has expired. I really hope they fix it.)They did.Gemini is a group of technologies similar to the ones that lie behind your familiar web browser. Using Gemini, you can explore an online collection of written documents which can link to other written documents. The main difference is that Gemini approaches this task with a strong philosophy of “keep it simple” and “less is enough”.
Gemini might be of interest to you if you:
- Are sick and tired of nagging newsletter subscription pop-ups, obnoxious adverts, autoplaying videos that chase you as you scroll and other misfeatures of the modern web
I qualify for the 512kb club, that’s mint!
Going to add my site to the list
Also it’s great to see sites that don’t have a butt load of JS and ads and other crap!
Came here to post about Gemini, that’s what they want
Signed certificates cost money. Notepad++ had a similar problem where they lost their certificate recently. They temprarily added a self-signed certificate until they could find a sponsor for a signed certificate. I think they fixed that now
Used to, until Letsencrypt started proiding free ones. These days, cost is no excuse.
No profit to be made with that, and fixed costs are still fixed. Why make an efficient static page for 6 dollars per month when you can make several hundred pages with AI and make 15 cents?
I would just like to add my favorite way to surf the old web is to go to https://wiby.me/ and click “surprise me…” and then either keep doing that or scour their link sections for more similar sites.
We can. Individual sites still exists. Simpler pages still exist. In some way, wikipedia is a large project that’s mostly “old school” (despite many attempts to change that). Old communication tools still work, mail can still be done with ease by small or even individual providers. Forums are still a thing in some communities. RSS to get informations about many sites in one place still exists and never stopped existing (it’s surprising how many recent websites still implement it). Some people still use IRC and newsgroups on a daily basis.
I’d even argue that google search, the old, simple, easy one, still exist. Look up udm14, set this in your browser, and your done. And contrary to the apparently largely accepted trend, this one still gives great results.
Firefox, despite recent attempts (that will probably keep coming) can still be trimmed to be a basic browser for the most part. Large surface to open an HTML page, bookmarks, tabs on top (fancy), and nothing else in the way. I don’t know how long this will persist, but it’s still possible.
There are many things that are still around, the presence of huge behemoths in the front row doesn’t change that. The only difference is that using the web in this manner requires a bit of involvement and a bit of work. When it was the only way to do things, people got involved and spent effort to do so. Nowadays, with large services providing one click stop to seemingly everything, most people won’t put up the effort to look somewhere else. And they don’t care about the consequences of this centralization on privacy, bias, censorship, etc.
But a lot of the old web is still available. Heck, even old reddit is still around (although the content itself is still reddit).
And it is a simpler life. Taking back control of our digital activities requires some minor involvement, but not being crushed by the endless content and notification machine is real nice in this overstressed world.
You can open websites in lynx.
Mastodon required JavaScript
You can use a mastodon frontend that doesn’t require js.
Uhm, Gemini web?
I made a Gemini site once and then I was like “that was fun” and then it was over. 😅
Because people who make websites want to get paid for them, payment is based on showing ads, ad companies want to maximize tracking via javascript, and if the only javascript is for ad bullshit it’s easy to block it so they force the content to load via javascript too.
It’s systemically fucked up in a way that goes beyond just the technology itself.
You do know that there’s a less intrusive way of advertising ? Right ?
You do know that advertisers want the ads to be as intrusive as they can make them? Right?
We are talking about us not them
Tl;Dr: capitalism. Capitalism cannot allow nice things to exist.
I mean, the alternative is that all those people who want a way to offset server costs don’t find a way to do so, and therefore pack up and go home. And then we don’t get those websites.
Or, we solve the underlying problem
Youve never hosted before have you. What solution do you propose to handle the costs of hosting.
Communism. Preferably something anti-hierarchal, but I’d settle for something run the way we host “ai”.
The people that want to make money are not de facto legitimate. Some people want analog slavery too. Some people want fascism. Some people are serial killers. Some people are Google. I see no value in those people. They do not create content I find interesting. The things they fund are opposed to my principals and democracy. Those people buy and sell a part of me to exploit and manipulate me. Those people are criminals. Those people are bad neighbors and have no place in our communities and neighborhoods. We have a right to open public commons free from piracy, pillaging, and slavery. That is the fundamental flaw. The internet is public commons, not a slave market.
Guy who wants to offset the costs of his diy fursuit forums by hosting banner ads in the sidebar.
Uuuuuuuuuhhh…
Are you denying the fact of capitalism existing on the internet? All you seem to say is idealistic non-statements that don’t engage with the answers you’re getting to the question you asked (or seemed to ask).
lemmy isn’t a static vintage web, and that’s a good thing, i guess.
One thing that I struggle consistently is how to display images nicely.but I suspect its all my lack of css skill
Can’t easily verify on mobile, but iirc last time I inspected the html that site had a google tracker and there’s a commented line acknowledging the irony and challenges you to fight them. I could have it mistaken with another, similar site, though.
Edit: Sorry for the misinformation. The site was https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ which contained the html:
<!-- yes, I know...wanna fight about it? --> <script async="" src="//www.google-analytics.com/analytics.js">Your framework? The hipster café that"s “temporarily closed” every time you need it.
Haha, there are other language versions links at the bottom. I just started Czech course at university, and I think I will send my group link some time, because it’s pretty funny (for a Polish person at least).
This is a goldmine of a post, I will bookmark all those minimalist websites
Fine with that. My favourite blog was like that.
Except we do, in so many ways. I think one simple example is RSS.
Because people don’t want it compared to the current Internet.
There is nothing stopping people from creating the Internet of old.
This is, sadly, the correct answer
We can.
Not without bugs to patch.
At the browser level?
Otherwise,
can haz
<html>simple site</html>I believe that the text would have to be in at least a
<body>tag, so… you’ve got a bug. But yes, I was including browser bugs.Do you know of any browsers that would not render
<html>simple site</html>?I just tested it in brave, dillo, librewolf, links, and it works in each.
I only recently discovered this (that contrary to prior belief and training), even
<body>is unnecessary.
