So once again the democrats not only sold out their constituents on healthcare and snap for literally a “promise of a vote” but they shit on them even more by allowing regulation on thc products? This will not only hurt a huge sector of the economy but it will open the door for police to target minorities for minor drug possession.
This makes no fuckin sense.
Hate is the key factor in all of this.
This makes no fuckin sense
it will open the door for police to target minorities for minor drug possession.
The War on drugs and the police state spawned from it is bipartisan.
It’ll be interesting if the Republican infighting/greed scuttles the deal and we’re left with a closed government. All the blame would come crashing down on them at that point and the Democrats could say “see, we tried to work with them but they didn’t want it”. It could tacitly save the subsidies.
But then again, never underestimate their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
The last part is sadly all that can be banked on.
I’ll pretend karma is real to cope with more terrible news
Hilarious how the alcohol industry gets in on the action. America is essentially a banana republic at this point, corruption and bigotry out the wazu.
A deal to end the 41-day government shutdown is running into turbulence, thanks to a single Senate objection: Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.).
Senate Republican and Democratic leaders say they need to resolve Paul’s objection to a provision in the government funding package before they can accelerate consideration of the bill. The provision would restrict the unregulated sale of intoxicating…hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.
I mean, do we really need this provision, right now? I’m not necessarily opposed to federal regulation of Delta-8 products, but can’t we address that at a later date? Let’s get the government open and worry about Delta-8 later.
Mitch McConnel is the one who added that provision and Rand Paul wants it removed.
Of course it’s McConnel. Dude never is the bearer of good news.
The day he gives any good news is the day he finally dies. And I’m sure it’ll be in the middle of a fillibuster.
Rand Paul agrees. He’s objecting because he doesn’t want the provision.
The senator wants to strip a section from the bill that would prevent the sale of hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.
Paul defended his stance as part of his duty to Kentucky. “Just to be clear: I am not delaying this bill. The timing is already fixed under Senate procedure. But there is extraneous language in this package that has nothing to do with reopening the government and would harm Kentucky’s hemp farmers and small businesses,” he said in a statement posted on X. “Standing up for Kentucky jobs is part of my job,” he added.
I know. I was siding with Rand Paul here.
He has more leverage now than he ever will, and he’s using that leverage to get what he wants.
Sure would be nice if Dems did that
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It’s not just Delta-8. Most CBD products as well as legal hemp-derived Delta-9 THC products would get wrapped up in this as well, and I am personally in favor of them remaining legal.
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So? He wants this because his donors want it, of course, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s using leverage to get what he wants.
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And there never will be.
Maybe the Democrats aren’t the best vehicle for progressive ideas.
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The rot runs the party, you aren’t going to clear them out without overthrowing them somehow.
I think the DSA should split the party.
This isn’t just about Delta-8 products. This will affect CBD products. This will affect legal hemp-derived Delta-9 THC products. This will have a major negative impact on the legal hemp industry as a whole. I don’t normally agree with Rand Paul on much, but I agree with him on this one. There’s a lot of hemp farming done in KY that this legislation threatens.
its almost always sneaked into bills like these, so hopefully nobody notices.
Do they even read the bills the first time?
It seems no one likes… Omnibus bills? Where they sneak a loss of citizen rights into a “must pass” bill like this.
It happens every year and everyone hates them aside from lobbiers.
Republicans can’t read. If they could they’d be mad at your comment.
This hide-the-shit-in-the-sandwich bullshit needed to have ended decades ago, along with the filibuster.
“Wait, you have to pass this bill? Sweet, the bill now says that you give me all the money.”
I don’t know who needs to hear this shit but I don’t give a fuck about any of these assholes any longer.
One party’s default is evil. The other aggressively leans towards cowardice.
Paul is holding up? or is mconell holding up adding this unnecessary bullshit in the first place.
mitch is, apparently the other commentor said mcconnel has ties to alcohol lobbies, and thier sales are declining alledgely because weed being legal.
I liked him better when his neighbor tackled him.
“Delta 8”? What the fuck? Do they mean “weed”?
Delta8 is shit quasi-leagal substances that aren’t the same as actual Cannabis. It’s stuff that should “probably” be illegal, but that isn’t why it was included in this bill. It’s a just a backdoor ban for legal weed.
This legislation will also kill any federally legal Delta-9 THC products like edibles or drinks, and might kill a lot of CBD products as well.
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Why spend so much effort deriving this diet-THC from hemp instead of just selling actual cannabis?
because I can order it through the mail in Georgia without having to fly to New York every couple of months.
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Sounds like the long arm of the law should just have let the invisible hand of the market do the talking
Since no one has mentioned it yet:
Delta-8 has a weaker binding affinity to cannabinoid receptors than delta-9, meaning it’s less potent per unit dose, but also harder to green out on.
Because Delta 8 is federally legal. Cannabis isn’t.
I’ve never had an issue with it. It’s helped my anxiety and if they take it from me, I’m gonna be right pissed. I can’t smoke weed since my 3 stints of Covid
Can you do edibles?
Yeah, if I can get ahold of them
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For me it’s basically what CBD claims to be.
Exactly
Thank you for the education on it!
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I work in the booze biz and the narrative that cannabis is killing our business is not that true. Most of it is price increases, the realization that “healthy consumption” of alcohol is bullshit, and a complete failure of our industry to market the products correctly.
With wine and beer we should be reminding people that drinking with friends is literally one of the most common things in history. It’s a nice time even if it isn’t the most healthy choice. The important thing is to not make it habitual.
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“if your bosses are telling you that it hasn’t been harmed, they are lying to you. This is normal, even in a company you love”
Do you really think I need someone with zero experience in my industry to explain to me what is going on as if Im a child? The fact is most of the people drinking less aren’t doing so because cannabis is available as when surveyed most cite costs and health as their reasons.
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of course its mitch mcconnel pushing this.
it’s synthetic weed, Delta-8 being slightly less psycho-active than standard Delta-9 which now can also be synthesized from CBD. -I actually agree with Rand Paul on this issue even though i’ve had some truly awful experiences with these products. There’s no real QC safety checks to ensure that not only is what they say is in there is true, but also to avoid precursor chemical contamination in the final products. Some people will point out the QR codes linking to lab reports, but I suspect they never check them because the few times I did, the lab reports were for a different product with a different name dated six months ago… -My point is there should be some basic common sense regulation around quality but an outright ban or restriction is stupid.
You should know that there are also federally legal Delta-9 THC products that will get wrapped up in this ban, as well as probably most CBD products. Would be a huge blow to the legal hemp industry.
Rand Paul isn’t the one throwing a wrench in things, here. It’s dirtbag Republicans deciding a budget bill is when they’re going to try to kill the marijuana industry with an unrelated amendment to the bill.
They are trying to kill the delta 8 and hemp derived THC products. Those are unregulated and could present serioys issues as black market carts have been a problem in the past.
if only the government had the power to regulate things!
Regulating these out of existence while permitting federally legal cannabis would be my hope.
It’s republicans, you know for a fact they’re bound by ancient laws to do the exact opposite of good.
But they’re not doing that. They choose to do this instead.
The party that just deregulated companies from polluting your drinking water, and removed oversight from food contamination, just outright banned something under the guise of “this isn’t regulated”.
It’s an imaginary wrench, because it’s still going to pass.
Boy, if only the spineless wimp dems didn’t cave, Trump would be in a fucking panic right now with the ATC situation. Instead, they delivered him a win right before he would have felt the most squeeze.
Our only hope now is the release of the Epstein files. I hope they can prove trump was a client and his whole base turns on him. That’s all I fucking want for Christmas.
and his whole base turns on him
Might as well wish for world peace.
Paul will cave and allow this to pass, this is what he does almost every time.
That being said, I hope he doesn’t. If Congress wants to increase regulation for hemp derived THC (also called Delta 8 THC) then put together a separate bill and run it through the process.
That won’t happen because Congress doesn’t actually pass bills anymore. They just lump everything together and slap “must pass” on it.
Also this quote is fun,
Manufacturers of beverage alcohol, one of the most highly regulated consumer products, urge the Senate to reject Sen. Paul’s attempts to allow hemp-derived THC products to be sold devoid of federal regulation and oversight across the country
This type of THC has been available for several years with minimal regulation and the US has been just fine.
Edit: Reading articles is difficult. At the time of the article posting (~2pm Monday) Paul hadn’t “caved”. At the time of my comment (Tuesday) he already had.
The Sunday vote was cloture, aka we’re done debating.
The Senate had already taken a major first step toward ending the shutdown Sunday night, voting to end debate on a motion to proceed to a House-passed continuing resolution. But procedural rules require 30 hours of “post-cloture” debate before senators can vote to proceed, followed by four more votes to pass the full funding package.
The Monday vote happened around 8pm, since that was less than 30 hours later there must have been another vote to skip the 30 hour timer.
Given the timing Paul, at best, delayed the vote by 6 hours.
There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread about hemp derived THC and delta-8 THC. Delta-8 THC is an unregulated cannabinoid that can be made by converting CBD through a chemical process. But hemp also contains Delta-9 THC, which is the same thing that would come in the recreational or medical cannabis you’d get in a legal state. The limitation is that the products are only allowed to contain up to 0.3% Delta-9 THC by volume. The funny workaround here is that products like edibles and drinks can easily still contain a recreational dose of Delta-9 THC while staying well below 0.3% THC by volume. This has created a legal market for THC products and I’ve actually really enjoyed it, living in a state that still does not have any form of medical or recreational cannabis available.
So I’m less familiar with Delta 9 THC, but my understanding is that both Delta 8 THC and Delta 9 THC are able to be derived/extracted from hemp. If I’m understanding you correctly, it’s a different process for each, but the end result is still that we get one and/or the other.
Additionally both of them have the same restrictions as you mentioned, being less then 0.3% THC by volume, which makes them excellent candidates for edibles and beverages.
I think Delta 9 THC is closer to “traditional” THC, which matches with what you’ve said.
Living in a state that does have recreational cannabis, I was surprised when I first saw Delta 8 THC products sold alongside alcoholic beverages.
So while technically this law change won’t affect me much, I’ve certainly appreciated the destigmatization of “THC” at a federal level.
Delta-9 THC IS what people just called “THC” forever. It’s the very same compound that’s found in your recreational or medical cannabis products. It can be extracted from hemp naturally. The distinction in naming conventions is a more recent thing due to the prevalence of Delta-8 THC products.
This type of THC has been available for several years with minimal regulation and the US has been just fine
I mean, it hasn’t, but it has nothing to do with the availability of marijuana.
Until recently, my red state has thca which is what the plant naturally produces. It was really convenient to walk into a decent store and get a $5 gram. Then they closed that loophole specifically earlier this year. And to be clear, they had lab results and all the sorta info you would get at a medical place.
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To be fair, if a product isn’t properly regulated, there’s nothing to stop producers from printing good looking lab results on the labels and say good enough. Doesn’t mean its been tested, or the data on the labels and say matches the contents at all…
Seems like there has been report after report on this problem being prevalent in the supplement industry.
When I went there it was a well put together, clean place, clerks didn’t seem sketchy, and the labels matched the results. I know what you’re saying, but I can be at least certain they weren’t selling vitamin E-acetate vapes.
Fair enough. The US has been just fine with regards to the wide availability of his particular form of THC.
We’re not living in a world of “Reefer Madness”.
We’re not living in a world of “Reefer Madness”.
You probably didnt know but marijuana is a racist word invented to blame Mexicans for cannabis consumption.
Edit: As people seem to think this was meant in a condescending way: I really just wanted to get the info out. As we are in kind of a progressive bubble here on Lemmy I assumed that most people try to avoid using racist language and thus would appreciate this info if they dont already know. I at least was glad when told and would appreciate people telling me when I accidentally use racist language instead of keeping quiet and potentially judging me. Sorry I offended so many of you.
No, many people are aware of that. It isn’t some obscure secret.
I didnt say most people dont know. I was specifically talking to the person who used it.
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Im not specifically invested in making people stop using it, but I think most people dont know and theres really no need to use the one word invented by racists when theres literally hundreds of synonyms.
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I dont see a contradiction. Not everything a person says is meant to make other people do things. We are in a progressive bubble where I assume most people make an effort to not use racist language and when I see someone using it I inform them about it and however they use that information is up to them.
How would you suggest I reword it? English is not my first language and it didnt seem pushy to me.
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you’re getting mad at the wrong thing, everyone knows what MJ is weed, and they dont see it as a racist thing used to describe someone.
Literally not mad, just trying to inform. In my experience many people here make an effort not to use racist language, I at least would appreciate people telling me when I use such words without knowing.
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That cat isn’t going back in the bag. Marijuana is what we call weed.
I mean you do you, but there are dozens of words for it and I dont see the need to use the one invented by racists.
Edit: invented by racists specifically to promote racism.
What would you call a single serving bottle of liquor?
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No idea, what do you mean?
A 50ml bottle would be called what? The most common answer is a racist term for Japanese people and I have to correct almost every employee I have trained because of how common it is.
The correct proper answer is a “mini” but there’s a more common term.
A fifth.
Technically I think most words were invented by racists.
Ur right^^ but most were not invented specifically to promote racisms
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I guess I better stock up.
I usually don’t see eye to eye with Rand Paul, but this bill will effectively destroy the legal hemp and CBD industries in America, as well as the legal THC market. I’m with him on this one. I am very surprised there’s nobody else fighting for it.
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This will kill the delta-8 and hemp derived products not the legal at the statelevel markets.
