America has a mental health crisis
America has a gun crisis
Not really. Plenty of places have high gun counts without the high violence count. There’s something wrong with us, specifically.
If America didn’t have guns it would still have massacres. Something like driving into crowds or taking sharp objects into public spaces.
Removing guns is like taking shoe laces in the psyche ward - it isn’t solving a problem but making other opportunities more apparent.
Harder to pull off, though?
Mental health in the USA is good.
Definitely a normal country full of well-adjusted people. We can see evidence of that on a daily basis.
As a reminder, the cutoff on psychopathy assessment is 5 points higher in the US than elsewhere. You can literally be considered a psychopath by the same assessment elsewhere in the world and be considered just normal in the US
This kind of stuff just boggles the mind. I’ve discussed with my american wife how it’s so crazy the volume of insane, violent shit happening in the states compared to the rest of the civilized world and what could the explanation for it be. I’m pretty sure there isn’t such a volume of serial killers anywhere else in the world and almost always the most effed up shit that happens in a somewhat civilized country, it’s the states.
Incident like this in a european country would probably be the most horrific thing in recent history, lawmakers would scramble to do something about it and it would make headlines for a month. In the states it’s just another tuesday afternoon.
“How does an argument over a television program end up with a murder, an attempted murder and a suicide?” he said.
BECAUSE HE HAD A GUN ASSHOLE.
No one that fucked up should be allowed to own firearms.
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Those poor kids. The presents under the tree were the last gifts from their mom they’d ever receive. Thank goodness the mom had the awareness to send her son out of the house, and that the baby was unharmed. No matter where they go from here, the older kids, at least, will never be able to look at Christmas the same way again.
I expect to see more of this.
Conservative women’s brains are fucked because they needed a sense of belonging and all they had to choose from were scumbags.
I’m not blaming the women. It’s just the reality when a substantial amount of them get sucked up in the MAGA bullshit.
Family annihilators do not always make the national news but it happens a sickening amount. Typically a male spouse.
If ONLY she had Killed him FIRST this WOULDNT have happened And that’s LITERALLY the Only Way to have Prevented that!
Only thing that can stop a bad dad with a gun is a good daughter with a gun. Checkmate, Obama.
If he had a history of domestic violence it would literally take only one of those to be reported and have him charged with. All his guns would be taken from him
The logic of that has never made sense to me. If you’re taking his guns away it’s acknowledging that he is a significant enough danger to others that he can’t have access to weapons. If it’s already gone that far why not lock him up to keep him away from the people he is a danger to? It’s not like he couldn’t go on to harm them with some other weapon in the future.
Because there is a greater threshold of due process needed to imprison someone (like a conviction in court of law) rather than disarming them.
But why is that acceptable? They’re either dangerous or they’re not. Removing their guns doesn’t remove their ability to do harm. It only removes one specific method. How are we arriving at the point of taking their guns if not via a conviction in a court of law?
Literally everyone is a potential harm to others regardless of if guns are involved. You’re talking about delving into massive gray areas and applying black-and-white logic to them. Someone with anger issues shouldn’t have a gun, but they shouldn’t be in prison either. Same deal with people with mental health issues and children. No one should have a gun imo, but confiscating them on a case-by-case basis is a better solution than the jack shit some groups would prefer to do, and it shouldn’t only happen in criminal cases.
There is a big difference between “anger issues” and having demonstrated that you have so little control of yourself when you’re angry that you assault/murder someone. Those in the second category should not be allowed to go about unsupervised until they get their shit together. I’d say the same thing about children and people with mental health issues that prevent them from being responsible for themselves. I’m not saying control isn’t appropriate here. I’m saying it’s not sufficient.
I actually wasn’t referring to this case when I mentioned anger issues. I used it as an example of a common trait that a person can have while also wielding a weapon, which is insane to allow. Obviously someone who demonstrates the capacity to harm others shouldn’t have firearms either. But it shouldn’t even need to get that far to begin with. Sounds like we agree on this point.
Oops now she gets stabbed with a kitchen knife and bleeds out painfully
Ah, so guaranteeing the patriarch has access to firearms is really an act of mercy for his victims.
But why guns? What about syringes of phenol? Make sure each man has one for each family member so he can perform painless honor killings. This seems like something a healthy society would do.
Guns are either kept in a locked box/rack, or on you/close at hand.
Knives are found in the kitchen. Ive never seen anyone put down a gun in the kitchen and just walk away from it for half a day
People are much less likely to actually use knives than guns. And if they do, their target has a greater chance to get away.
it mentions that there was a history of abuse that went unreported to the police. I suspect changing that could have prevented this, too.
Fucking monster.
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That’s Polk County FL in a very sad nutshell.
heres a down vote me comment…ya know, id be ok if prohibition of alcohol came back
Im not gonna downvote you, but the cocaine use may have also been a factor here…
I quit drinking a good 10 years ago. Once you stop drinking and realise how weird alcohol culture is and how it’s somehow everywhere and everything is just better without… Fully agree.
I still drink.
Mainly responsibly. Once or twice a year, if even, I’ll go overboard, but otherwise it’s a one or two drink thing.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s a great social lubricant but I have no idea how you can be an adult that gets hammered drunk on the regular.
It’s by far the worst drug in the world and turns people into fucking morons. I’ve learned a healthy respect for it, and know how spectacularly wrong things can go when you overindulge and the flaming trail of wreckage the drug causes isn’t worth whatever fleeting moments of pleasure getting carried away causes. And I’ve internalized that hard.
Last time it was tried the homicide rate went up by 13% …
Well im a bit suprised that smuggling increased it that much but numbers dont lie
some historians speculate that the total number could have continued to rise due to the increase in criminal activity associated with the illegal alcohol trade.
Homicides were trending up leading into it, perhaps there were other factors involved as well.
He was also using coke according to the article. Prohibition didn’t stop him from using that, there’s no reason to believe it would have stopped him from drinking either.
But then we would have to start bombing Venezuelas booze boats.
It wasn’t a “shooting” it was a NRA sponsored Freedom Celebration™
“The 13-year-old girl begged not to be shot – ‘Please don’t shoot me. Please don’t shoot me,’” Judd said. “And he shot her twice.”
Just put him in the fucking gas chamber and be done with it.
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We can’t “be done with it” as long as guns are allowed to be manufactured and any random lunatic is allowed to have one.
The fact that a tool whose only purpose is to kill people is even allowed to exist outside history museums boggles the mind in its monstrosity.
Although I agree guns need to be regulated more and there’s too many of them I think your second paragraph is unfortunately unrealistic. Did swords have any purpose besides killing people? Also some guns are used for hunting. Humans go to war and will always create tools of killing I don’t think there’s any way of removing all of those tools because someone will find a way to have them and be at an advantage over others. I’m not sure you can ever convince society as a whole to say no to violence with tools.
Did swords have any purpose besides killing people?
For the last several centuries of their widespread existence, swords were an archaism worn by people as a status symbol and to show their belonging to an in-group - like pickup trucks today in the USA.
Yes, but the creation of the sword was for killing people. They were a status symbol because of that. I’m sure when the next better tool comes along then guns will be the same thing.
A fancy gun is already a status symbol.
Yeah fair point
And have been since their invention
Yes, but the creation of the sword was for killing people. They were a status symbol because of that.
Not really “because of that”. The heyday of the sword was during antiquity. Swords as a fighting weapon were later eclipsed by spears and polearms, and yet nobody wore any other weapon as a fashion statement. It’s just that swords were much more expensive to make then a pollaxe or what-have-you, so they were owned by nobility.
That doesn’t really refute the core point I’m trying to make, but also polearms never really “eclipsed” swords. Sure a spear is much easier for a less trained peasant to use but ultimately a spear or polearm is absolutely garbage against a trained opponent closer than the effective range of your weapon or on a large scale battle where you don’t have enough space to maneuver it. If anything crossbows and later guns would eclipsed swords because it’s very easy to train someone how to use those quickly, and they blew through armor.
Spear-wielding infantry continued to exist well into the gunpowder era, whereas swords were pretty much only used by cavalry at that point (ironically the disappearance of armour made swords relevant again, in the form of the sabre)
I’m not sure who told you that the only purpose for a gun is to kill people, but they were very wrong.
Indeed. Guns are tools designed specifically for killing, but not necessarily just people.
There is the caveat that some guns were designed specifically for target shooting (like in a competition setting), but those are outliers.
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He killed himself
Should have started there, it is less tragic.
Best decision he ever made.
Where is the news value in this article? This and similar scenarios are equally common to people taking a dump in the morning, maybe make news about that too.
What a sorry stats of affairs that this kind of thing is so commonplace that you can’t even muster a modicum of sadness or empathy for those involved.
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That really isn’t any more reassuring a sentiment.
Jeez, getting kicked out of the UCP hit Kenney hard.
Damn, these comments kind of turned into a giant circlejerk of “guns bad” and “USA bad”
