Every day we get closer to an Orwellian society. The United Kingdom may already be one.
Is this thread about the rising fascist movements? Oh…
Is it about the refugees from their colonies they drown in the Mediterranean? Oh…
Well is it about the pivot from renewables and nuclear to oil and gas? Wh… well what is…
Oh. This is a thread about your online treats.
#1 on lemmy ‘top in last 12 hours’
you are saying that as if all (or any) of those would have started to be a problem just in the last 12 hours…
and this is not about “online treats”, but online threats. It’s not just netflix, amazon and other silly unnecessary things, it’s everything, including every forum where people can organize and discuss things, fucking youtube with their tons of knowledge based content, …
but sure! we have 4 other problems, count climate change too, that’s 5, we really should just ignore this one because it’s literally meaningless!
You’re right! I forgot about the genocide your governments are enabling!
Oh yeah, I should post about my arrest
Sounds like there’s a story waiting to be unleashed. Please continue.
Took a while to get it all down but I’ve posted it here: https://hexbear.net/post/5776309
It’s a post in itself and I only got about half of it down before work, so I’ll drop a link here after I finish it tonight.
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing it.
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As a US citizen, pray for us 🙏
No. This is a very naive & dated way of thinking about the world of today. We don’t really have distinct borders distinguishing politicians at that level.
It’s more accurate to say the Davos group is ruling all western nations. What looks like separate world leaders and parties is actually one world-spanning organization of those with power. And what’s worse, they’re all Nazis and technocrats.
The Nazis learned from WW2. If you invade a country, the people fight back. If you groom and install/bribe your own people into leadership positions, the people just let it happen.
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They don’t need their own tech companies. Europe has its own oligarchs. They’re the problem.
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I’m not going to defend the US and it’s tech oligarchs, they are all shit, but the way things are going, the EU and the UK are currently in way worse shape than the US in terms of all this 1984 bullshit.
No country is safe from this anymore, and we may very well be looking at the worse time to be alive when it comes to privacy, regardless of where you live.
I highly doubt it’s the worse time. There used to be no concept of privacy you lived in a small town everyone knew everything and you lived in a one room house and familys had on bed for everything. There would have been no privacy at all.
That’s an opinion lol
We deff have it better now with corpo and goverment replacing family and the hood
You do make a good point. However, consider the fact that you could talk with your wife, kids, friends or anyone for that matter, and the only way someone else would find out was if one of the parties involved told someone else or if you were too loud for someone else to listen. Now we have to go fully out of our way to keep anything under wraps, and even then, there’s no guarantee that nobody else knows.
I firmly believe this is the worst the world has ever been for privacy and individualism, and everything points to that everything is going to be worse moving forward.
Additionally, it’s highly that any of us lived through those times you mentioned, so I’m speaking from my own life experience, and I’m over half a century old.
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Enjoy it. I’m honestly happy to read this. My country has the bad habit of copying all the crappy shit from the US, and none of the good
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I’m starting to think you’re Dominican too 🤣
The olygarch’s have ruined everything again?
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Also the problem with wealth. No more overthrowing the rich happening.
how will this “client side scanning” be implemented?
it’s, not only worrying, but very confusing.
Not even close to the horrors of an Orwellian society and saying it is is an insult to the characters in those books. It isn’t great though, and it’s heading in a troubling direction
and it’s heading in a troubling direction
I’d say it’s heading in an orwellian direction…
I think the characters in the book will forgive as that’s a work of fiction and they are not real. That’s like saying I insulted Bugs Bunny for having big teeth. We’ll get through this calamity. ✌🏻
I’m the guy that gets offended on behalf of what ever I want.
Oh no! Wouldn’t want to insult those fictional characters
For the age verification is it possible to sign a petition? I think is not too late to join forces… or anything but not letting them go further… as of the chat control probably only contacting the representatives. I really hope lawyers and businessmen try to fight it…
Have you already written to your members of parliament about chat control, and possibly other matters? Seriously, do it. There is very little you can do, but this might actually help. Slightly. Maybe.
Almost the entire western world is going authoritarian. Very worrying trend. It has to be stopped.
the only thing that can really stop it IMO is mainstreaming decentralized social media and messaging services.
You’d need to effectively replace Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, Whatsapp etc… The only thing that totally keeps us from 1984 is that all these platforms for now have decided to be relatively free and impartial (compared to how bad it could be). But that could change at any time if the powers that be decide to on a whim. They could completely ban all privacy, pacificsm or any kind of political opposition tomorrow.
No it won’t stop it. Blood and violence is needed but we are sheep.
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As a Brit who has seen the UK government’s ill thought through and unworkable attempts at police state bullshit go through the process a few times now, I’m going to predict: VPN use goes up massively, the government starts talking about banning VPNs without considering that this would break half the internet, then some wealthy business donor has a quiet word to them because businesses need VPNs to function, but they can’t publicly back down because they already called everyone who opposed it a pedo. So they pick one or two VPN companies (whichever ones have the most foreign-sounding names), have the tabloids run a propaganda campaign about how evil they are, then ban them even though they aren’t based in the UK and it makes no difference to anything, then they’ll claim they won and the laws will stay on the books forever but nobody will bother to enforce them and everything will carry on as before.
then some wealthy business donor has a quiet word to them because businesses need VPNs to function
A little credit here. They’d rephrase the law to only target VPNs whose purpose is offering as a service to the general public (as opposed to exclusively employees and contractors) the ability to connect to a private network with exit points / the ability to appear as if their traffic originates from outside of the UK.
On a related matter they could also require know your customer for all VPNs, require all VPNs keep logs available on request for police inspection and those who don’t are banned. All companies keep extensive logs for corporate VPNs so this wouldn’t present any additional burden to private enterprise but would be the end of anonymous VPN services.
I really don’t think this is more of the spectacle and move on. Not this time. I think Palestine has them spooked because they lost control of the narrative and the best way to seize control of the internet and clamp down on people conveying information they don’t like is starting with things like this.
Sign ups for Swiss VPN providers from the UK are up massively, nobody will use their ID for porn.
Must be a great time to be in þe VPN market.
The UK ain’t part of the EU mate
France is doing the exact same shit as the UK with age verification…
Not officially, but the same powerful monied interests control both.
It’s worse in Germany.
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Not any more 😭
I feel like at least in Germany privacy matters are alive and kicking thanks to GDPR / DSGVO
You literally have to provide identification when buying a SIM card for a mobile phone in Germany and it all gets registered.
Most of Europe doesn’t have any such thing and even the UK with all it’s authoritarian overreach doesn’t have this.
There is literally no other use for this other than for the state to be to know who calls who.
Germany is a lot more “papers please” than most of Europe in my personal experience.
Yeah I think it’s very subjective and this one anedcote is just that.
In Germany cash is preferred in most places, and that makes tracking payments difficult. This is not the case in most other european countries. That’s an another anecdote for you.
That’s a “people” preference.
Mandatory registration of who buys a SIM card is a “government” preference.
My point is that in Germany the Legislation favors privacy less than in other countries.
Your point seems to be that in Germany people favor privacy more than in other countries.
I made the point be about legislation because you mentioned GDPR / DSGVO, plus this post is about what governments are shoving down people’s throats when it comes to surveillance. I don’t expect that most people in Europe actually want governments snooping on their chats.
Still, it’s good to know that in Germany the people themselves favor privacy, even if so far they’ve been less successful at avoiding governmental overreach on surveillance than people in many other European nations (though compared with, say, Britain, Germany is veritable paradise in terms of state surveillance of the civil society).
German EU politicians are also pushing the chat control BS, it seems like it is only a matter of time until these psychos slip these invasive laws through.
What do you mean with chat control BS? Care to share a link?
That being said, there are a lot of worrying politicians out there.
There are also German EU politicians pushing against it. It’s not like there is a German consensus to it.
who is pushing against it? the pirate party did not get any seats in the EU parliament this round
For example the greens, the left, the SPD and even the FDP.
Edit: Even the right wing nuts from the AfD are against it.
I didn’t say there was German consensus, but the fact that politicians in almost all member states are either pro or considering it is frightening.
You’ll always find someone fighting for something stupid. I guess in the EU it’s mostly the conservatives pushing for it, who are a bit on the rise right now as it seems.
I’m noticing a pattern on Lemmy for every time someone makes a general criticism of the EU, the West ™, Europe etc there’s someone in the comments specifically mentioning how Germany is good, actually, regardless of whether Germany was explicitly mentioned or whether it’s actually true that Germany is better than other places in the topic at hand. In all likelihood it’s just that there’s more Germans on Lemmy than people from smaller countries, but it’s starting to feel like some weird out of place patriotism is on the rise or something.
but it’s starting to feel like some weird out of place patriotism is on the rise or something.
Oh no, not again… I’ll go ahead and paint my Danish flag white in preperation of what’s to come.
Merz’s government should be overthrown just for the fact that that semi-human turd used to be a manager at BlackRock
Germany always had a different flavor of distopia, I think the people there similarly to America drink the state sanctioned cool aid so they can never have a Orwellian distopia.
I don’t understand what your article has to do with privacy. I understood that is the framework of this conversation. Yes, there’s a lot of scary rightwing policing in Germany, but can we stay on topic?
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Orwell never could have imagined society as it exists currently.
From the fact Britain produced Orwell, Huxley’s Brave New World, and Alan Moore’s V for Vendetta, I figure the UK has always been some shade of “Orwellian”.
Historically, the UK has always been very self assured in their goals and never looked for outside input while disregarding the people that they were upending. Anyone who wasn’t helping them was viewed as an enemy to be controlled, oppressed , or destroyed. If that isn’t a non-political explanation of rightwing authoritarianism, I’m not sure what is.
We are living in Orwellian society, it’s just the news catching up with reality.
The news has been trying to obfuscate this awareness for as long as possible.
It has been effective but every day more people take notice.
