During the agents’ violent attack on a delivery worker Saturday morning in DC, bystanders repeatedly demanded the agents share their badge numbers. One of them—his face fully obscured by a black balaklava—eventually shot back, “Do I have to answer to you?”
“You guys are ruining this country. You know that, right?” one bystander said to the agents at one point during the incident. An agent, ironically clad in a rainbow face mask, replied “Liberals already ruined it.”
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Last week on stage at the Netroots conference in New Orleans, I spoke with Congresswoman Delia Ramirez (D-IL) about ICE: specifically that she believes it should be abolished. It’s a stance that’s considered far left, but after witnessing ICE and other federal agents in DC this week, abolishing ICE should be the baseline Democratic position.
“ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”
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Hi finitebanjo, I see you dodged your last ban by choosing the same name on a new instance and rejoining. Bold of you to pick the same handle.
4 entire pages of modlog actions on you, wow. https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=9867145
Well welcome back. On to page 5 of the modlog I guess.
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theres the finitebanjo we all know.
Every republican since Bush 2?
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Hey USA. How’s that 2nd Amendment working for you?
I’m glad you asked. We’re seriously thinking about arming the children. Only semi auto for the kids though and teachers get full auto. Cops will just carry grenade launchers and rockets now, for their safety. That should finally take care of the school shooting problem. We tried arming the cops and putting them in schools, but that just created a soiled underpants problem and didnt save any kids at all.
“🎶Land of the free, home of the brave🎵”
Feeling brave and free enough to stop a rapist, racist, paedo nazi from overtaking your country yet?
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Thats a fair point.
If I were in America I wouldn’t be taking up arms.
I think i would be joining protests at work opportunity, to the point where it would have an impact on my employment and home life.
I acknowledge that loads of you are already doing that. Commenters like yourself probably are, but the vast majority of Americans are not.
Regardless, I sometimes make comments similar to the one you’re replying to. I think some of it comes from decades of being told that America somehow has the best kind of freedom and personal liberty. Again, I acknowledge its the right usually making those claims.
Who needs guns when you have memes and twitter, I mean x a platform owned by one of the enemies that people still use. /S
I’m still waiting for the trial, where I’ve agents were gunned down for self defense.
and there will be a trial regarding the right to defend yourself from masked unidentified gangs kidnapping people.
if the decision goes against fascist ideals, then the Supreme court will intervene. and the 2A nuts will suck fash cock and celebrate that it’s bad to raise against a tryranic government.
Juvenile. Pissed off that someone might hold them accountable. Not much these people hate more than oversight and someone getting in the way of their violence.
ice pricks, ice holes
I really don’t understand how cons think liberals “ruined” anything. This country could be very great if the cons would stop trying to make everyone’s lives miserable by constantly poking their nose where it doesn’t belong.
“Things would be better if it weren’t for [group], they’re the problem, not the rich.” It’s a lie as old as civilization and conservatives always fall for it.
The problem always has been and always will be the lazy rich that don’t want to work.
They are called the “idle rich” and the parasitic class for a reason.
Increasingly, both here on Lemmy as well as elsewhere, I seem to be seeing an awful lot of what I’d label as inter-generational bullshit that seems designed to distract from the very same thing (the centimillionaire/billionaire class).
For the most part, Gen X is ignored in a lot of this, but I see a lot of people acting as if their generation (Gen Y/Z for the most part) has a special class of problems no one else had, and the boomers are the worst generation in history or something. With almost zero context or sense of history and a whole lot of erasure of people’s experiences, LOL. It’s actually kind of embarrassing to see it when I see there are liberals/leftists doing this, too. Talking about a “gerontocracy” in the political class. Falling for the “term limits” bullshit, even.
Those of us that have been around a bit and are trying to pay attention remember seeing boomers saying the same thing when they were younger, as well as Gen Xers, and it’s even with all the 'net at our fingertips now, I see both my generation and younger generations saying the same dumb shit.
Abolishing paramilitaries in all forms should be a baseline Democratic position. It ain’t the 1770s anymore.
Dude is right but for the wrong reasons. LIberalism serves and reinforces hegemony. Liberalism pushes the overton window so far to the right that fascism seems moderate.
Liberalism <—> Fascism.
Liberalism <—> Fascism.
It wasnt always this way. Liberalism is way off the rails and the DNC has zero interest in fixing it. And the republicans are just openly violent fascists. The Dems will do the barest possible minimum of serving their voters to keep some small chance of winning an election, and no more. They dont work for us, but they do want our votes. They work for AIPAC and industry.
I get that liberals had their part to play, but can we stop putting the onus of fascism on liberals and blame the fucking fascists for fascism for a change?
But muh division
I always thought it was fight the right, but it turns out we’re more interested in dog piling the ineffectual centrists and splitting hairs amongst one another. No wonder we never make any headway.
Even if your definition was taken that’s not what he meant
What? BS! Is that why the Nazis arrested the German liberals and sent them to the concentration camps?
Well that’s one thing we agree on
Bigotry and lack of decency ruined the country but it was already ruined it was built on blood repe and kidnapping and forced labor
Liberals already ruined this country
Is he wrong though?
nuance
Talking about the broad liberal who values hierarchy and private property. That’s exactly who ruined this country. Not that I agree with how this guy is going about trying to fix it. But whether you’re talking about putting us in our techno capitalist subscription based dystopia, or the land that was burned and decimated to lay its foundation, liberals deserve all the credit.
I was gonna say ‘you are a “Liberal,” jackass!’
That’s true, but in this man’s mouth, “liberals” almost certainly means anyone to the left of Hitler, and he doesn’t deserve the charitable reading you’re giving him. We have to interpret the statement appropriately to who is saying it.
Definitely should’ve added that to my nuance. He and I are definitely not using the same definition of liberal.
He is wrong to use it as an excuse to be a fascist thug
True, no good reason for that
Nah, liberals don’t deserve all the credit. Also I’d wager this pig uses liberals to mean “left”
Not wrong, but for the wrong reasons.
I lived in DC for 6 years and always wore my seatbelt. Never had any issues. I doubt a senator would be driving through the areas where you would have an issue too.
This country is going to need a new level of cult deprogramming to get anywhere. I won’t see it in my lifetime.
Maybe this time we hang all of the confederates and not let any live so this shit doesnt happen again?
Agreed. As seen with my nation and Germany, the Confederates and Nazis went on to raise Klanners and Stormfronters. ICE should be trialed and executed as a class, else they will escape the justice that they deserve. It isn’t kind, but necessary.
They chose to embrace evil, and should die because of the sins they have earned.
Apparently, the Nuremberg trials executed less than 210 Nazis. Considering how many Jews and other peoples have been slaughtered, that is a bullshit result. Trial by individual isn’t sufficient for institutionalized war crimes.
Deport them to an island not that high above sea level.
Absolutely. There is a movie about a housekeeper during the holocaust who hid Jews in the basement of the commander’s house she worked in. When he eventually found out, she bargained with him, said she would be his mistress if he would say nothing and let them live.
After the war, when the dust settled, the commander was turned away by his wife and children for sheltering the Jews, and it was the Jews themselves he had allowed to live who took him in.
There were many people living everyday lives that had drank the coolaid and saw the extermination of the Jews as absolutely necessary and considered anyone who disagreed a traitor. Those people went on to raise children and teach them that sick way of thinking.
Honestly, it sucks that execution of ICE as a class has to be considered: it isn’t unlike the cruelty they inflict on people who didn’t deserve to be abused nor killed.
That is where the distinction lies: deservedness.
Advocating for almost the same thing is icky. I cannot be said to be innocent, for supporting this method to end the madness. 😞
If they can commit heinous acts for the Greater Evil why can’t we do a fraction of it for the Greater Good?
Because youre becoming the thing you despise.
The difference comes down to who makes up the class. What criteria is used. In this case it is personal choices that landed them on it, so I really don’t see anything morally wrong here.
I find it disturbing that the 11 million other people killed in the camps are so seldom mentioned. A reasonable person who watched US media and wasnt interested in history might reasonably assume only 6 million jews died. Not 17 million human beings total. Anyone know the breakdown of the other 11 million without looking it up? No one knows.
The homeless were some of the first in the camps, as well as the disabled. Then the gays, other minorities, and the Jews.
Poles and russians made up another massive massive chunk of deaths, but seldom get mentioned. about 15000 gays were put in camps and had a 60% death rate, so about 9000 died. ~500k romani. ~250k disabled. about 5.1 million poles and russians died in the camps.
13.7 million russian civilians were killed either in camps or during occupation and forced labor. But looking at the wikipedia, its slanted pretty heavily toward recognizing jewish deaths and minimizing the other demographics. Always has been that way, which I think is pretty wrong and awful. Its been made into some wierd marketing instead of noting that every human death was equally tragic.
17 million killed in the camps, but if you ask around, many people will think its mostly or only jews, and totalled 6 million. Seems like some holocaust denial of the other 11 million murdered humans. Also when I’ve brought this up before and referred to other deaths as part of the holocaust, I’ve been told the holocaust refers to jewish people only, not the other dead.
What’s that movie called?
What did they arrest him for?
I’m guessing existing while brown.
How dare liberals encourage education and renewable energy! And infrastructure and foreign trade! And civil liberties and reasonable prices!
Come on now, lets not pretend the dems have a pure track record. Its just not that simple.
He must have left his fedora at home.
What’s the symbolism of a fedora?
Incel culture. Typically goes with the scruff from attempted beard growth on double chin.
