• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      Since “no child left behind”.

      Teaching became all about the lowest common denominator and no matter what everybody moved to the next level.

      Fail kids and you get less funding, because you “left one behind”. All it did was make a highschool graduation pointless. And because it didn’t mean anything, college became the new highschool, except it came with decades of debt.

      This is horrible, but it’s not a failure. This is exactly what the wealthy has wanted for generations.

      It’s why Linda McMahon is talking about dismantling the department of education. They want a bunch of idiots too dumb to realize they’re being gifted.

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        This is exactly what the wealthy has wanted for generations.

        It’s not the wealthy contingent of the Republican coalition that has the major beef with federal involvement with education. It’s the social conservative contingent, which wants religious education, stuff like school vouchers so that they can use public funds to give their kids a religious education.

        That’s gonna be hard for someone in a conservative state to do at the federal level, because a lot of people in other states aren’t gonna go along with it. But if you have a conservative state and the decisions about fund allocation are done at the state level, then you may have a chance of running kids through a religious education on public funds.

        EDIT: This long-term shift is what the people who are upset about federal involvement in education are going to be trying to stem:

        https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/decline-of-christianity-in-the-us-has-slowed-may-have-leveled-off/

        (Ironically, this article is saying that in the past few years, the decline may, in fact, have been arrested.)

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          With the declining education levels over the years, these above statistics clearly show that God makes true believers smarter!

          Checkmate, atheists!

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        And in so doing, dig a hole for the entire nation as home grown talent and innovation dies.

        But maybe that’s the point. They prefer the indentured servant status of H1B visas.

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        A nation of slaves, irrespective of skin color.

        Chattel slavery may have been abolished (in the US), but slavery is arguably still alive and well just in a much more complicated way, with a facade of “freedom”.

        Most of us generally aren’t free. You’re “free” to quit the rat race and go live in the forest…? No. If you stop and don’t have money or someone else’s support, you die.

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          I mean, that’s the case everywhere in the world and always has been. If you go out and live in the woods you’re banking on your ability to find food and shelter yourself or you die.

          Not defending the current system, but like, saying you’re not free until someone pays for your ability to live off-grid seems… silly?

          Might as well say, “they say you’re free, but if you decide to shoot yourself in the head you just die and there’s nothing you can do about it. #WakeUpSheeple”

          I just don’t see what kind of system you’re arguing for I guess.

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            For the first few hundred years of the western hemisphere, people literally went into the woods with some provisions and tools, and many of them survived and flourished. Sure plenty died but look at the result. The point is that now you can’t do that because someone owns all the land. Even the millions of hectares laying unused - and I don’t just mean parks and monuments. There are huge, enormous swaths of land laying unused and held by private owners, corporations, and trusts, because at one point hundreds of years ago, someone climbed a hill, looked at landmarks and decreed, “this land is mine” and went to the closest town to stake their claim. Even if there was land, you still need to buy said tools and provisions, and it’ll cost you now.

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            Fair enough, my wording was too simplistic. But I stand by what I said, and try to explain it better.

            Generally in the US, you have no choice but to own a car. It’s significantly more difficult if you can’t except for a few outliers like NYC (public transport everywhere but much higher cost of living?).

            It’s very difficult not to have a phone and internet, and be able to function in society, finding and keeping a job among other things.

            It’s extremely difficult to be homeless or live in your car, not to mention very uncomfortable.

            Health insurance premiums whether you need healthcare or not.

            Most jobs are tied to a 40hr or more workweek. Some of which don’t pay enough necessitating second jobs. Overwork and exhaustion resulting in limited ability to gain skills to escape.

            Energy industry: try living without oil, gas, electricity, etc. it’s impossible.

            • transportation
            • housing
            • energy related, electricity
            • phone, internet
            • healthcare

            My argument, is that these are every day extreme necessities, and they account for the vast majority of our expenses. We don’t have a choice to do without any single one of these (without severe hardship or external support). This is how we’re pseudo-enslaved. All of these things represent billions upon trillions of dollars of profit that mostly go to the elite. All of these above, should be completely socialized/nationalized and have the profit motive removed (as necessities).

            Free market capitalism is fine for things like PS5s, BMWs, yachts, mansions, breast implants, and gold plated iPhones. People can work to get luxuries. But having basic necessities met (simple smart phone, clean housing, basic transportation, etc.) should be part of a civilized society. It would mean no more billionaires.

            This doesn’t mean people should be able to sit around, do nothing, and get free stuff. Everyone should contribute. Some of the most important jobs like teaching kids, construction, nurses, etc. get shit pay, while billionaires play stock market games.

            Honestly I think the concept is simple. There’s money to do all this. It’s just currently going to the wrong people.

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      This right here. They want us dumb and stupid so we are easier to control. It is Vital to teach your children about resist and what to stand up for.

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    My states largest district is an online charter school/massive embezzling scheme. Self paced online classes, with a teacher that may/may not ever meet the student. I work with a client who just graduated from there.

    They had no idea how to solve a one step algebra equation until today. Today we struggled through such exercises as “2x+4=8.”

    I briefly worked for that school and had a high school student who had no idea what Christianity was. Really, the concept of religion in general was entirely new to him.

    It feels deliberate. The in person/actual schools also suffer - students passed from class to class without knowing how to read or work with fractions, because it’s not even really necessary to have a bachelors degree to teach anymore. I guess it’s the kind of population that will grow up to vote R, to fall for whatever stupid shit the rich use to stay in power.

    My only real hope is that the pendulum will swing back eventually. I at least hope that I will be able to personally take advantage when the need is recognized again, that at some point someone who can teach a high schooler logarithms is considered a valuable member of society worth paying a living wage.

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      It is deliberate.

      As the article pointed out, the top 10% of students aren’t seeing major drops, it is mainly in the bottom marginal students who need more institutional help to get a better education.

      If we’re deporting all these immigrants, the country is going to need a new underclass.

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      guess the previous gen is the real winner before braindead phones and AI fucked it all up

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    Just heard a piece today about AI that tangentially mentioned historic lows for “student engagement” – where kids are interested in learning rather than just sitting through their classes and waiting to leave. The main point was that using AI is not as simple as using calculators because students don’t learn to think when AI does all the work. AI removes the necessary pain of learning to put things together before a deadline.

    Oh, and they were talking about some plan to replace teachers with AI instructors where adults would still be present, but not in charge of the learning. I guess the adults will just be there to mete out discipline?

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    7 months ago

    How much of this can be attributed to conservative families finally getting the chance to enroll their kids into private religious schools via voucher programs?

    Actually, how much can be attributed to voucher programs in general?

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    This is sad, well beyond the educational aspects.

    Imagine not being in a mental position to enjoy books. The Hobbit. Asimov’s Foundation or Robot books. The Expanse. D H Lawrence. Jane Austen. Vonnegut. Stephen King. Lewis Carroll.

    Even worse, not having the capacity for the full nuance of Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams.

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      I’m so glad that when I was in school social media didn’t exist. I read The Hobbit during the summer between 4th and 5th grade and moved right into Lord of the Rings. In 6th grade I tried The Silmarillion but that was still a little too dense for me. I went back 2 years later and conquered that beast.

      Reading Tolkien was a formative experience for me in ways I couldn’t have imagined at the time. It literally shaped the way I look at things, expanded my vocabulary, and inspired future hobbies in addition to all of the benefits that you get from reading anything. I can’t even imagine having that part of my life replaced with TikTok brainrot and selfies.

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        Mom had this big illustrated version of the Hobbit. TV off, she read it to us kids across many evenings, determined that we would know Tolkien.

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    And it just gets worse. Pardon me while I rant.

    Here in central Louisiana, a state historically in the bottom 3 in education, they’ve now opened an “ag only high school”, obstensably to teach trade school and “farming” skills. When I was in high school ag classes were offered where they basically taught welding. At least that’s all I ever heard anyone talk about, oh and maybe some husbandry, but not with actual livestock.

    The gist of it though, is now all of those kids who were in the non-college ag or business track can now take just ag classes, and it’s in a completely separate campus about 7 miles from my old high school. They don’t commute from another high school and I can’t imagine they have much more than a basic English and Math curriculum, if that. And a not insignificant portion of them will upon graduation go work for their families.

    There’s also a “magnet” school (pardon the excessive quotes, it’s Louisiana and nothing is ever as it seems) in the county seat that seems to only be useful for draining off the non-sports smart kids… which might be good, except I suspect this is being facilitated by Louisianas take on the Republican school-voucher programs. Which if you didn’t know is a way to drain funding from “under performing”, i.e., poor, usually minority, schools.

    So that can’t be helping any national reading or math scores.

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      There’s also a “magnet” school […] in the county seat that seems to only be useful for draining off the non-sports smart kids.

      It has been shown that there are benefits to the smart kids to separate them into a different curriculum. Grade skipping has problems as it pushes kids into social situations they meet not be equipped to handle. By creating different tracks, you can have some students take more rigours courses which actually challenge them and so kids can learn the soft skills they wouldn’t learn with an easier curriculum. I’ve seen some high schools where you can basically graduate with a year’s worth of college credits.

      Which if you didn’t know is a way to drain funding from “under performing”, i.e., poor, usually minority, schools.

      And I would agree that is part of the problem as expressed in the article. Most states are preserving or increasing the teaching quality for high performing students while absolutely collapsing funding for under performing students.

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        Oh for a typical magnet school, yes, I know.

        But like I said with the excessive quotes, I’m not sure it’s a real magnet school given how the parish has dealt with all of their other schools and the excessive Republican influence in the state.

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        Can’t edit my original response for some reason, but I just recalled that “magnet” school is a private charter school.

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      Can’t edit my original response for some reason, but I just recalled that “magnet” school is a private charter school.

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    The school system is becoming dumber and dumber. They are blaming kids for the failures of the system. They are making decisions to teach what’s on the tests instead of the material. School is suppose to give kids options. Not teach everyone the same slop