Proposed legislation behind the impending US government shutdown contains provisions that would ban federal funding for transgender adults, as well as youngsters.

  • bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I have to fly back into the states soon, I would appreciate it if air traffic controllers would first off, get proper time off, pay, and benefits, but also that they are paid

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        6 months ago

        Is your feeling okay more important than fascism flaking?

        I thought the point of the phrase was to bruise Trump’s ego and reputation? It’s not “We believe this in order to make ourselves feel better,” but rather “Trump attempts to project a strong self-image, but he’s actually an insecure little chicken shit without a sense of personal conviction.”

        • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus
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          This just provokes him, it doesnt actually degrade his power base like Epstein stuff at least theoretically should.

          Yes, its true, but if you keep provoking him his senile ass will just start committing to shit for the sake of it. It gives him a clear out and it’s not oje we want him to take.

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            Fascists never need an excuse to react. They’ll find scapegoats when they want to, but the fact is they don’t truly need them in order to retaliate - Trump and his ilk will do what they do regardless of what the rest of us say.

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    Oh, so when the government shuts down in a day or two, because you’re a piece of shit and no one wants to give you money to continue with being a piece of shit, of course you’re gonna blame trans kids for this

    You piece of shit

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      I’m concerned they want to shut down that way they can keep it closed indefinitely. Funny that meeting with the top brass is coincidentally around the time of the shutdown.

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        A shut down is an act of Terrorism as the democrats are all ANTIFA. The generals will be ordered to seize all the democratic government offices across the country.

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          I believe the formal most recent act of terrorism at the Capital was in fact J.6th, and I thought those guys were MAGA loyalists, thus the pardons and all?

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      yes, but also maybe take the threat against trans people seriously? like, Trump just said he wants to ban trans healthcare. it seems like that should also be a big deal. saying that everything is a distraction from the Epstein files has become a distraction from some serious shit.

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        The point is that the Epstein files has been pretty much the only thing to bring cracks in Republican support for Trump.

        Everyone who is upset at this news on Trans health care already know Trump is a useless piece of shit. His base on the other hand will probably cheer this on.

        So driving that wedge that is the Epstein files is imperative if we want to chip away at his approval ratings and hope we can salvage this shit in next year’s midterms (I know, a stretch).

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          It just feels a lot like “oh, trans people? Fuck em. Show me the list!”

          Like I really don’t see how it helps anything to post it here. Go talk to conservatives about it instead of posting it in threads where everyone already knows about it.

          Because calling it a distraction when he is actively trying to kill me and people that I care about really just feels like y’all don’t give a shit about us either.

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            Personally I don’t get that impression of, “Oh, trans people? Fuck em.” It’s more, “Strike them at their pressure points because look at this kind of fucked up shit they’re doing!”

            You never know who the lurkers are, and it refreshes minds of our side to go out and remain on message. It’s useful to me in that regards.

            Sadly it’s just a reality that the people we need to convince already support what he’s doing on this issue.

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    Sounds like he’s looking for a win because he’s going to lose on healthcare in general. It’s a smart way to go about it because the transgender people are going to be sacrificed again and it puts healthcare at the top. It’s smart, but 100% evil.

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      If the Democrats cave on that, then fuck them too.

      But as far as I’m concerned Trump just delivered an easy win for the Democrats - this is an easy out for Democrats to not cooperate with Republicans (obviously morally abhorrent demand) and shift the blame for the shutdown to the right.

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        The problem is that the ‘blame’ is determined by the media. The Dems can blame Republicans all they want, but if the big media players frame it as their fault, all the idiots not paying attention will fall right in line.

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              Billionaires own the media. the media will be blaming Democrats.

              It’s a foregone conclusion

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                That’s my point. There’s absolutely no winning for the Democrats here, no matter the outcome. They’ll be blamed for shutting down the government and all the subsequent shit Trump breaks in the aftermath, or they’ll be blamed for ‘giving in’ and letting Obamacare die.

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                  Yeah. Unless they somehow figure out how to use messaging effectively. But probably just tens of millions to run the same attack ad every break during Family Feud. As per normal.

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      there are only. 001 maybe less of the population. It’s a non-issue in reality. Unfortunately, they make it an issue to divide people.

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    6 months ago

    Surely this is the last group of people whose rights he want to remove. Surely.

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    Let them shut down the government. Keep it shut down. Let’s see how long the troops will work for free.

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      I’d imagine “troops refusing orders because of lack of pay” is one of the first problems they’ve worked out with any shutdown

      If there’s one thing this country cares about, it’s keeping the military industrial complex running

  • HarneyToker@lemmy.world
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    Or the truth, Democrats are shutting down the government because Trump and his regime are developing into a fascist autocracy.

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    Well, sure, but remember that Harris was so terribly transphobic many people just plain didn’t vote at all! Which is obviously the Democrats’ fault for running such a terribly transphobic candidate.

    And yes, this option that we have here, this - ban transgender federal funds, make trans people terrorists - was the only other choice available. But that still means it’s the Democrats’ fault because otherwise you’d have to blame people who didn’t do the one most important thing they could to prevent this and obviously we can’t blame them.

    Look, we’ll call it even and should we somehow make it to the midterms next year we’ll all decide to protest by not voting again. Then the Democrats will really start paying attention to us! Pretty soon after that, bang-zoom! Workers will seize the means of production and . . do something with chains. Ride bikes maybe? Anyway, sounds fun.

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      On the one hand I agree, on the other I’m so angry and tired of either hearing that my issues aren’t important enough to do something about (the line told to Millennials during pretty much every election - presidential and otherwise - from Bush onward outside of Biden and Obama on things like housing prices and student loan debt/price of college) or that as a transgender person, we need to let the Republicans do a little genocide and removal of our rights and freedoms as a treat or else the “moderate Republicans” won’t vote for the Democratic candidate (are the “moderate Republicans” in the room with us right now?). And then we get blamed for the Dems losing one way or another regardless. Either the Millennials didn’t vote hard enough, or our demands of things like affordable housing and protection of minorities’ rights were “too radical and lost the Dems the moderate vote.”

      I still voted for Harris because it was either the Dems rein in the fascists to some extent at the federal level or the only safe places being Democrat run states, but the Dems absolutely threw us under the bus as a “worthy sacrifice” to court a mythological voting base that hasn’t existed in decades - if it ever did at all - and I can’t really blame people for being sick and tired of it.

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        It’s a fair point, or number of points, but the voting for Harris part is all anyone could do in that final situation on Election Day.

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          I agree. I’m just so frustrated with the poor options that we’re given that I couldn’t help but say something. Especially with the whole sarcastic transphobia remarks I see about the Dems when they are indeed transphobic, or at least more than willing to let trans people die for no reason.

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      With coalition building and solidarity like this, I can’t imagine how they lost.

      No point in electing dems if they dont fix anything, prosecute crimes against humanity or coups, etc. They haven’t shown willingness so far.

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          The point is they distract and steal resources from real solutions and perpetuate credibility and permissibility of systems the fascists need if they want to win.

          And also that they’re absolute dog shit at winning elections because they’re not even trying to do what the people want.

          Notice how you’re just attacking the left, people whose votes ypu tjink your masters are entitled to, rather than discussing any actual solution or preventive measure to any of these problems, further cementing a coalition you freely admit the other side sees as dead and buried rather than opposing fascism–by yourselves or with the left?

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            There were other races on the Democratic primary ballots than just President and VP ticket, ballots that eligible voters could have cast to put better candidates up for election. All those people could have turned in a ballot in the primary and the general to show the campaign runners that they are a winnable vote. And they could still protest the candidates by leaving that office blank. You can opinion poll all you want to get the data to speak your way. But they can’t ignore if 1/3 of the primary ballots in a state didn’t select a candidate. Not voting at all will never, ever, ever convince incumbents and campaign managers that they need to change. It will only ever convince them that they don’t have to care about your issues. So turn in a ballot every time, even if you leave it blank in protest.

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              but they can’t ignore

              Sorry, I’m too old and have an actual memory. Plus I read a history book that one time. This shit doesnt work on me.

              They absolutely can ignore it, but they don’t –they actively ratfuck it.

              The fact is rather than energizing the electorate they alienated people so fucking hard the uncommitted people who weren’t about ‘sending a message’ just saw voting as pointless. Right or wrong; most Americans aren’t comitted enough to their principles for that. The dems fave us Donald trump. Both times, if you remember the story in 2016. I’m more willing to block you than i am argue this farther, because you cannot at this point–after seeing how the ‘blue no matter who’ crowd tried to turn on mamdani–support either electoral party in good faith.

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                they alienated people so fucking hard

                Did they? Well hey good news - you get trump again then. It’s going really well isn’t it.

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                  You cannot accept that you fucked up, you failed, and you lost to the dumbest mother fucker in the world because of it.

                  And instead of fighting him–instead of trying to fix any if it you just strike left and blame the damn pinko commie scum for all your problems, because its all you know how to do, and all you were ever going to do in power.

                  You are an unpleasant person and you are not making the world a better place. Not that you’ve ever tried.

              • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
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                Selective quoting is so much fun!! Leaving out the thing I actually said so you can argue with something else instead!! Yee HAw!!

                Sorry, I’m too old and have an actual memory. Plus I read a history book that one time.

                To my knowledge we’ve never had a primary like I’m talking about (where all those traditionally non-voters decide to show up and leave those selections empty to protest a poor selection of candidates) so you can’t remember it not working. Even in 2024 we had just over %4 of primary voters cast a ballot for Uncommitted, and the highest state primary turnout was still under 40%, and as far as I’m aware for the first time in history the nominee stepped down due to their unpopularity. You going to tell me that if we suddenly had 70% primary turnout and fully a third of the ballots an office unselected that both the nominee and their campaign staff would just ignore it?

                Assuming you’re a non-voter, you’re doing exactly what they want from you: shutting up when it matters so that it’s easier for them to stay where they are. Because us arguing on the internet doesn’t matter, only the elections do.

                They absolutely can ignore it, but they don’t –they actively ratfuck it.

                How can you say the ratfuck something that’s never happened?

                The fact is rather than energizing the electorate they alienated people so fucking hard the uncommitted people who weren’t about ‘sending a message’ just saw voting as pointless.

                They didn’t want AOC but the people voted for her and here we are. They didn’t want Mamdani but the people did so they voted for him and here we are. Bernie won the Democratic nomination for Senate before running as an Independent. People need to stop waiting for the party to “energize” them with a candidate they want. That will never happen. People need to just fucking show up and tell the party in the primaries, because the actual votes are the only thing that matters.

                I’m more willing to block you than i am argue this farther, because you cannot at this point–after seeing how the ‘blue no matter who’ crowd tried to turn on mamdani–support either electoral party in good faith.

                My dude I’m referencing Mamdani as an example of how we can overcome the party trying to go against us. And I’m not talking about supporting the ‘blue no matter who’ crowd. I’m talking about the people who say "we have to make the Democracts lose by not voting so they will wake up and give us better candidates’ crowd. I’m not telling you or any of them they should have voted for Kamala in the general. I’m saying you and them should turn in a ballot in the primaries because there are multiple offices to select a candidate for, not just the president. That impacts Congress and your state/county/city government. Leave it blank if you don’t like any of the candidates, show you care without voting your principles. I support that.

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      He’s trying to convince his very stupid followers this is a shutdown he started over transifa. They will overwhelmingly accept this.

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        He could say it’s because Democrat made hottdish always gives him diarrhea and he thinks it’s sus and is shutting down the government so he can get bathroom peace and his followers would overwhelmingly accept it.

        Making it about transgender is just a hate move and is trying to get violence going again after reading your comment.