Under the order, private businesses can choose to display signage indicating that ICE cannot enter without a warrant—thereby designating “their property as part of a city-wide network of community spaces that stand together in affirming the safety, dignity, and belonging of all of our residents,” the mayor said.
Johnson touted the order for building “a broad civic shield that limits the reach of harmful enforcement practices. It strengthens neighborhood solidarity and it reaffirms Chicago’s role as a welcoming city.”
My great-grandfather would lose his shit if someone had told him that feds would be invading states against the wishes of the local governments. We forgot what America is supposed to be.
Nobody forgot except terrorist maga republicans.
My grandfather fought actual Nazis, sometimes I ask myself what he would think of our political situation today.
I am older; my Dad was an older guy when he had me. He fought in WWII.
Growing up he always told me: “I fought the jackboots. One day it will be your turn.”
My grandfather fought actual Nazis
My grandfather was in the Navy during the 1940s. My uncle was in the FBI during the 1980s. My brother is in the National Guard in the 2020s.
The times, they are a-changin’.
I ask myself what he would think of our political situation today.
There’s a joke about going back to 1789 and telling George Washington what has happened in the past 250 years.
And his first response is “Wait, you let a black guy become president?! That’s not what we fought for!”
His second response probably involves asking to see “Hot MILFs in your neighborhood”
I think that was Ben Franklin and not Washington. Ben was quite the lady chaser. He once had an exchange with a French woman who insulted him for being fat, she said ‘if a woman had a belly like yours, we’d all think she was pregnant!’ To which he replied, ‘this belly, madame, was on top of many fine ladies over here recently’.
He’d be under investigation for being a member of a terrorist organization.
My grandfather lived long enough.
He always said “I killed the nazis once I can kill them again if I have too”
We had to pull him from the nursing home because he kept yelling at the younger trump supporters in there. He called them the “me generation. All they care about is me me me”
My great-grandfather would lose his shit if someone had told him that feds would be invading states against the wishes of the local governments.
Ah yes, I recall that sentiment very common to the 1860s in certain sub-Mason Dixon line states. Also popular in the 1950s after Brown v Board.
Unfortunately, the times have changed and the Neo-Confederates are the ones running DC now.
Yeah, half of my family is from Southern Tennessee/West Virginia/South Ohio, the other half is from Eastern Canada and Northern Michigan, where I was born. (I mean, European, Jewish and First Nation but I just look white. Most of them, aside from those fleeing the holocaust, came over in the 1600s so its been long enough to become pretty mixed) I’m sure both sides had different reasons, but they had the same sentiment. This here land is yours, and nobody comes in unless you invite them. Neighbors all had that same agreement. That’s a bigger part of America than a lot of people know.
I don’t know what happened to all the pre Rand Paul libertarians that everybody thought were paranoid talking about government overreach in the 90s?
Federal agents dropping from a fucking helicopter to an apartment building in Chicago, kicking down doors, zip tying crying children, keeping people they just pulled from their homes in cuffs for hours without letting them contact a lawyer, and raiding the entire building like fucking pirates to steal peoples valuables is so fucking far beyond “overreach.”
Turns out they were just projecting the whole time. Oops.
what happened to all the pre Rand Paul libertarians
I was one of them. I was in deep. I’ve met Ron Paul multiple times. I know some of his former staffers.
I will tell you what happened:
- They were right that in fact the Government is spying on everyone, and bald-face lied about it (Clapper)
- They then assumed that the Government can only lie, and that everything official is by definition untrue
- A supermajority of them are religious faithful. They can be super educated but they still believe in Bronze-Age fairy stories and “personal Truth”
- … which made them easy targets for Russian disinfo
It’s so banal. But it’s the truth. I know because I watched my former friends turn into people who intentionally spread COVID, to “show up the hoax”
They’re keeping us separated by race. As long as it’s “inner-city thugs” aka black people or latinos, the majority of rural America can handle it until it’s too late especially if they only consumer curated propaganda. Well, that’s what they hope. the people in charge of this are actually pretty fucking stupid though. Let’s show them how wrong they are.
Started with immigrants, definitely moving towards targeting people in inner cities to test the waters, then based on that recent memo next is “Antifa” or anyone opposed to the Trump admin.
People still refusing to see this are in for a hell of surprise when they wake up to a swat team raiding their suburban and rural homes, and find out wanting the Epstein files released means you’re also an official member of Antifa.
I’m an eternal optimist as long as I can breathe air and feel love. I think they’re moving too fast. I think they’ve crossed their Rubicon and what’s waiting in Rome isn’t what they think it will be.
I’m an eternal optimist
Yikes, how does that happen?
Haahaha to be honest, psychedelics and a near-death experience. All I know, is that whatever happens after death (which appears to be a lot, a lot more than what happens here) as long as I can keep my soul as clean as possible, the physical comings and goings of this place are very transient. Spreading love when I can brings it back and then I can share it again. The poorest people have nothing but money.
Prolly it’s a defense mechanism too because of how fucked things are, but I have felt and seen far too much love and beauty to allow myself to be defeated by the biggest losers on the planet. Fuck that, life rocks. They can eat shit, I’m gonna rave my way to the apocalypse if that’s where we’re goin. And if it doesn’t, we don’t need to wait that long for the end, so what’s the worry either way?
But the psychedelics and MDMa were the keys tbh, would have been harder to get there otherwise.
Man, I hope you are right. They sure as hell have been moving very fast.
They are, I’m a pretty good judge of people A lot of them seem fine-tuned to the legal system in the same way that an ant is fine tuned to move sand. They don’t seem to have a lot of instinct as to human relations, and there are 330 million of us to relate to. We can’t take it forever. And I believe they think that we can. I grew up redneck as possible. My family and old friend group are getting pissed. that is a fucking pterodactyl in the coalmine if you knew those guys.
They will target just enough minority citizens that they have plausible deniability that it’s an “accident”, but just enough of them to make them all afraid to show up at polling places.
Personally? I got a little older, developed my sense of empathy more and stopped associating with libertarians.
I got older, developed more empathy but especially during these times, I have more and more found myself drawn to civil libertarianism. I don’t want government overreach regardless of who’s in charge. The people (not corporations) are supposed to control the government, not be controlled by the government.
Government involvement in people’s personal lives should be minimized when possible while keeping in mind that the entire point of having a government is supposed to be to protect and benefit the people. Except, for some dumb fucking reason, we let the supreme court decide that corporations are people too.
I think if we have any chance of surviving, we have to make overturning Citizens United a nonpartisan issue (which it really should be and easily could be if all the propaganda and disinformation around it was removed).
T.L.D.R.:Government regulations should protect and serve people not control them. A government controlled by the people (bc surprise, people are not corporations) should regulate corporations and technology, not the other way around. I do not buy that human focused (as in protections for the people, their rights and their privacy) regulations placed on corporations and technology are “inhibiting progress” any more than I would believe somebody telling me we need to start cutting brake lines in all vehicles bc they “inhibit speed.”
Under the order, private businesses can choose to display signage indicating that ICE cannot enter without a warrant
This isn’t anything new. You can already tell them they’re trespassing without a warrant. If they don’t leave, you have a third amendment case against them.
Of course that depends on enforcement of the law, which as we’ve all seen is not happening.
They’ll take it as a challenge to their authority and specifically target them, just like sanctuary cities and states. I hope those businesses have funds for renovations after a SWAT entry team has their way with them.
Insurance
“As he is now known as Lord God Emperor Donald Trump His Magnificence, any damages caused by the federal government will be considered acts of God and threefore not covered.”
No need.
Many (most?) policies already have an “act of government” clause that is specifically used to not pay out when police and feds destroy shit. Same with having carve outs for “military action”.
Also, funny enough, many policies actually have specific carve outs for damage due to “civil commotion” e.g. rioting. So there actually is a kernel of truth to “don’t destroy that mom and pop shop when you are rioting” because it probably will end that company (unless that is the point but…). But still fuck your Target and Kmart.
Where are you from? There are no Kmarts in the US.
Not anymore, anyway…
Damn Aunt Tifa!
Get warrants, fuckos
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Fuck the secret police above all others.
This only works if they are willing to enforce it. So they would need to order and get CPD on board with arresting ICE agents. And as much as I would love to see that happen, police tend to be the biggest bootlickers of them all.
Even the mayor stated federal agents wouldn’t be arrested for violating this. So it is just pointless and performative.
The police are probably still pissed off they got tear gassed (that is for black people!). But the best anyone can hope for is “Yeah. This library is an ICE free zone. Two feet out the door isn’t. So just wait there with your guns”
According to the mayor, while federal agents in violation of the order would not be arrested by Chicago police, the city will take the federal government to court if necessary.
So yeah… nope, they’re not going to enforce it.
Ah, yes. The government that famously doesn’t listen to court orders will be sued. I’m sure that lawsuit will finally bring a stop to all of this lawlessness this time.
It gives the populous more ‘room’ to intercede. Basically, a normal person at a cafe feels they have some permission structure to stand up to ice, after all, the governor and the mayor told them to. So they aren’t rebelling, they are helping uphold the law. I think things like this actually goes a long way in moving the general public. At the very least it doesn’t hurt
They can confiscate their stuff.
He said they would fight it in the courts. And we have seen how much respect they have for the judiciary and legal process.
Yes! Leave our friends & neighbors alone!
Good on yer, Mayor Johnson. I’d like Mayor Bass to do the same. And the LACC to instruct the LAPD to enforce due process.
…
Well, I can dream, can’t I?
Without liberty and justice for all, there can be no one nation undivided.
Secede.
That’s definitely their goal, and I’d prefer to keep my country united.
We were never perfect, and there were definitely many ways we started off (and still often end up) on the wrong foot in terms of hypocrisy vs the country we claimed we were building, but the U.S. is my home, my family, and I love her. I know I’ll probably end up burned at the stake for saying this, but I do sincerely believe that our differences make us great.
They’re the ones that have problems with everyone else, and want to turn us from a big salad to a bottle of homogenous curdled milk. I wish this administration and whoever wants to
servejoin them would go build their monarchy on one of Peter Thiel’s man made floating islands instead of trying to force it on us. See how that social darwinism and boot strapping they’re so obsessed with actually plays out for them. (FAFO)We’re not united and never have been. This failed experiment needs to end.
I wish this administration and whoever wants to
servejoin them would go build their monarchy on one of Peter Thiel’s man made floating islands instead of trying to force it on us.I mean these types never stopped fapping to Ayn Rand novels anyway so yeah! They should get their own society instead of hijacking ours, if it works so well! Lol
As an American, I rather restore the rule of law, then pause red state’s federal representation and EC votes until we do a proper reconstruction. This is OUR house, lmfao, why do the majority of law abiding people have to leave, just because of a small minority of lawbreakers managing to usurp the government powers?
Take. Our. Country. Back.
If Minnesota, Michigan, and the greater Great Lakes area wanted to join Canada I would be open to it.
Then we could all focus on work and manufacturing and quality of life.
Also would welcome the states of Alaska and Washington.
Take California and eastern Oregon too.
Eastern Oregon? The Proud Boys part?
+1…AHHH,I fucked up! Western Oregon!!!
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Minnesota has a HUGE tech base too, specifically medical devices.
And maybe some other highly useful industries if things go really, really badly.
A government that detains and assaults its own citizens without justification or warrant is no longer a legitimate government and must be dismantled and replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
The article said they repelled in from helicopters to raid an apartment building. What a bunch of cosplay losers. Lol. Intimidating your own residents and citizens for daddy trump.
I’m sorry, but lots of governments do that.
Waiting for the first politician with power of a police department to say this. The police will likely turn on that person. But it needs to be done. States/Cities need to defend their citizens. Or at the very least show how the existing systems have failed and fallen fully to fascism.
It seems ICE tear gassed some Chicago cops. Good timing, Mayor
Link? On purpose or out of incompetence? The later is just as likely lol.
Edit: Read that in reverse thinking the cops tear gassed ICE. I know what incident you’re referring to now.
The will of citizens comes second to the rights of all people. It wouldn’t matter if 90% of the country wanted this. It would still be an unconstitutional infringement of rights.
100%. The whole point of the document was to put guardrails to override the “3 wolves and a sheep deciding on dinner” scenario.
Laws/rights are just thoughts and words. If 90% of the population wants something—barring some extreme use of force—they’re going to get their way.
Simply declaring something unconstitutional or illegal is a paper shield.
That’s not to say that there isn’t value in codifying these things. It helps maintain long term positions/policies when the government swings across the centrepoint, but they only work because the majority of the population agrees with them.
Most specifically, it’s to provide a framework so that small changes are orderly and big changes deliberate.
Laws provide a framework that tries to resist change to the maximum degree possible, with the benefit that it’s generally agreeable enough to enough people that it’s preferable to the danger and force involved in not having them.~90% of Americans wanted universal background checks after Sandy Hook. That didn’t happen.
Good point. I guess it should be “90% of the population takes any meaningful step towards”
Law and rights are only valid if you can enforce them by force of arms. In the end, might does make right and the biggest gun wins.
replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
What are we going to do about the 20 to 40 percent of people who support ICE and other horrors?
edit for clarity: replace “this” with concrete
Realisticaly, unless we are doing forced deportations or removing their voting rights, they are unfortunately gonna still have a voice in the process, but its society’s job to educate the next generation to make sure they don’t become those idiots. As long as the idiot’s party never attain a majority, or try to overthrow the democratic process, its just a permanent minority that is loud as fuck, but has no teeth. There’s always gonna be those types of regressive people, even in the best fuctioning democracy.
shows up to that movement with pitchforks
While we’re on the subject, how DID pitchforks become the universal symbol of rioting and revolt? As a weapon, I mean it’s decent I guess. You could certainly kill someone with it for sure, but it’s not some ultimate weapon. A chainsaw certainly has more raw terror inducing imagery. You see someone with a pitchfork in a 1-1 setting, and you could fight them off. You could grab the pitchfork as it’s being used against you and have a chance to fight back.
But a chainsaw? How do you fight a guy with a chainsaw??? Or a gun???
I guess what I’m saying is, if we happen to pass a hardware store along our march of revolution, could we pop in for a sec, so I can buy a chainsaw???
Because when the peasants would revolt, they’d grab the closest thing to a weapon they owned. This imagery predates the chainsaw…
You also want a weapon you’re familiar with and that you can control. In medieval farming communities, chances are everyone’s used a pitchfork. Axe less so.
Pitchforks also work better as infantry; they’re kind of a mini pike so they’re useful in a mass and against horses. Swing an axe in a mob and it’ll hit your neighbour.
It was also common to quickly forge rudimentary pollaxes (halberds, etc.) because they handled intuitively enough to people used to farm implements.
They were plenty familiar with axes too. Medieval peasants would have to chop wood pretty much daily as fuel for cooking and heating. Also most medieval pitchforks were made from wood since that would be way cheaper, while axes were metal.
But yeah in case of revolt, unless it was a very impromptu affair, they would usually have blacksmiths which could modify their tools to make better weapons.
Bill hooks were also common agricultural tools that adapt well to warfare.
I’m pretty sure it’s an old trope from early horror films. The villagers would arrive with torches and pitchforks to drive out the monster. This clip from Frankenstein (1931) actually has a mob with torches and clubs, but a similar clip from Bride of Frankenstein (1935) shows a mob with seemingly all kinds of tools including pitchforks and a pickaxe. (I can’t find a full clip from Bride of Frankenstein, just this quick shot in the trailer.)
A similar mob appears at the end of The Adventures of Hucklberry Finn (1939), coming for Jim.
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Chainsaws:
- Tripping while carrying a pitchfork is less likely to result in a fatality than a chainsaw
- Chainsaws rely on external power sources before they become heavy abrasive clubs
- Reinforcements won’t hear you engaging your pitchfork from a block away
- A pitchfork is lighter and longer, making it easier to wield and have a potential for higher force with lower torque
- Chainsaws don’t like being used on fluid-filled fleshy bits, which can result in a tangled nightmare bogging down your weapon while you try using the “stuck shopping cart” maneuver on something noncompliant and screaming
- Pitchforks can be quickly shared between targets. Chainsaws quickly share bits of targets between you and anyone nearby
Guns:
- Requires training
- See issue about external power sources
- See noise issue
- Friendly fire
You could grab the pitchfork as it’s being used against you and have a chance to fight back.
Push harder
- ❌ Pitchfork: Long, unbalanced weight, gets stuck when embedded in a solid medium
- ✅ Softball bat: Less cumbersome, well balanced, doesn’t get stuck in squishy
- ✅ Miracle Blade®️: Abuse as desired and Chef Tony will hand-deliver you free replacements, CHEESE CHEESE
Miracle Blade!! And if by some chance the rebellion is ruthlessly put down with military force, “it’s the last knife you’ll ever need!”
Spears, and (pun) by extension Pitchforks, being long is not a draw back. It is a stabbing weapon you could take out someone with a baseball bat before they even get in reach to be a risk.
Spears (pointy sticks) are the oldest weapon. They might have been created by non-humans. They helped us come down from the trees and vanquish large prey with teamwork.
Eh, would not the club be the first weapon? Followed closely by our evolutionary omgwtfbbqhax: the accurate and powerfully thrown rock?
Not that they weren’t used first, but rocks and clubs would not have allowed us to come down from the trees safely full-time. Pointy sticks allowed us to more safely injure and kill, while keeping claws and teeth at a distance.
The police use Roman legionary techniques to force protestors back.
If you take the mindset that you’re preparing for a nonlethal war and prepare beforehand by bringing tasers and attaching them to very long wooden sticks, or topping the stick with pins that may get stuck in skin but will break when stuck in skin, or even just use the very long sticks, all you need to do is find enough people to drill in classical battle formations for a while. I think the phalanx did good against a Roman shield wall if it didn’t have to maneuver much, which is perfect for city steeets.
Hell, you could go the whole nonlethal bullets route with 3d print guns, but I think firing weapons may result in very much and very lethal escalation, so while I wouldn’t recommend it I don’t see why 3d printed guns couldn’t be used in a staggered fire formation like they used in the 1800s, except you’d just keep preloaded single use pistols in the back pre-loaded with nonlethal rounds. It would be inaccurate as all fuck but that’s the beauty of infantry formations in the 1800: the guns were inaccurate as fuck. At least in the beginning.
If they’re safe enough to use against protestors then the police shouldn’t have a problem, right?
There’s only one real way for us to be sure.
-Grabs a bat menacingly and takes a practice swing that connects with my own one knee-Just like me frfr
Nunchucks were originally used to thresh grain before they became a peasant weapon.
Peasant farmers revolting against the monster being created in the nearby castle of the mad doctor 🤷🏼♂️
The administration is TERRIFIED of its own citizens and they are doing anything they can do to suppress our rights and make us suffer.
At the same time, they are crashing the economy as fast as possible so we don’t have time to fight back and protest. The struggle is their favorite part.
Because fascists fear one thing more than each other, people.
they are hoping to be another 08 crisis, when everyone was desperate for any job, even joining the military
Yeah… sometimes I feel like growing up with an abusive vindictive parent kinda prepared me for this. I wish I had something better to tell you, but the reality is they just suck and they shouldn’t be in control. They’re abusive. They’re vindictive. I’m sorry and you deserve better, but you’re stuck with them (for now). You’re not alone though. We’re all stuck with them (for now).
They get off on watching you struggle, but they also have fragile little egos that are easily bruised. Use that to your advantage. Take some comfort in the fact that narcissists are so blinded by their own egos, it usually means they can be outsmarted because underestimating everyone who isn’t them is their default mode. Their thinking is really rigid because they lack empathy and the ability to see things from any perspective other than their own. Often this results in them inadvertently but repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot while trying to assert their dominance. Try to laugh about it when it happens. Take care of yourself. Try to take care others. Stick together and remember you’re better than them.
Donald Trump’s rapid-response White House X account decried the move. “This is SICK,” said the president’s team, accusing Johnson of “aiding and abetting criminal illegal immigrant killers, rapists, traffickers, and gang bangers.”
🙄 Oh lordy, I 100% support this, but I can already tell “ICE rights” are going to become the new cry of false victimhood (even moreso). Watch him turn this into a civil rights issue.
“You think you can refuse service the men and women who serve at my behest? Just because they might accidentally shoot a few people on purpose?”
“You think you can turn them away just because their presence makes people so uncomfortable, and it’s ruining your business? Because they’re a nuisance to all your other patrons, and everyone hates them?”
“I don’t give a rats ass if they’re still welcome as regular patrons like everyone else. Or that they just have to leave their tactical gear outside and not harass the other customers! They’re not like everyone else, they’re my special snowflakes! Those are their emotional support balaclavas and automatic rifles, and they need them at all times, you hateful bigot!”
You think you can refuse service the men and women who serve at my behest?
You bet your ass I think that. Let me refer these fuckos to the third and fourth amendments.
Has Trump been seen recently even? I think that’s Miller posting on his account. You know the ‘real’ president. May as well be since Trump doesn’t do much and we all know Miller is a fascist dickhole. Spread the word, Miller is the one calling the shots.
Also many articles of Miller yelling about ICE quotas and crap if you look, so no wonder this would hit a nerve with that douche in charge that’s M-I-L-L-E-R, the Nazi wannabe (if you never saw it see the show he did with spray on hair,seriously that asshole tried it and went on tv just so you know how stunted he is). I bet Trump is great with his McDonalds, falling down stairs and strokes without having a real say in anything. I’m sure Trump loves knowing he has no real authority in the US beyond making their reputation shit. It’d really suck for him for everyone to learn him know he has less power than his South Park character.
That’s great, but useless if they cops don’t enforce it. Otherwise, it’s a giant red sign saying “immigrants and those that help them are here, please do your nazi harassment here.”
Hey, America- EVERY neighborhood is an ICE-free zone if you have a well-organized group of heavily armed residents on watch.
Or, you know, just keep letting guys in masks put your neighbors in unmarked vans.
I’m surprised there isn’t more “And then someone followed the ICE agents home and shot them dead in their driveway” happening yet.
Be funny if that did happen, and the jury refused to indict. I think our faith in institutions are so low that that’s plausible, now.
Nah, you’d just get a bunch of the most insufferable liberals you’ve ever seen clutching their pearls and flooding the comments about how “political violence” is just SO UNCOUTH and has NO place in their comfy version of reality.
