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It’s not about productivity.
It’s about control.
Guess who gets to work in private offices instead of the “productivity enhancing” open offices!
When my last company went to an open office plan, everybody (even the CEO) had to be out in the open because the whole company moved into one big room (with a little cordoned-off area for meetings). Granted, this was because we were on the edge of folding and we moved into the one big room to save on rent. But it did produce a nice “we’re all in this together” vibe because it sucked ass for everyone.
This point i don’t get…in all my jobs, team leads, department managers and basically all management level employees are sitting in the same open office as everyone else. I have never been somewhere where this is not the case. Is this a predominantly American thing?
They’re talking about the c-suites who make the decision to call everyone back to office, I presume
Yup, director level and above get their own office
CSuite get their own entrance and tunnel, don’t want to enter with the rest of the plebs and walk in the same hallway
You guys don’t understand that this is is the goal. Happy rested people thinl a lot, demand things, want a better life. Unhappy and exausted people only want to go home and go to sleep, they loose their souls and think that this is better enough. Those are easy to control
It’s not a conspiracy, it’a a distributed systematic failure that can only be solved by cultural change.
I think its a conspiracy fact
Luigi is culture right?
Wahoo
Plus, look at the great job of keeping commercial real estate prices high they’re all doing
Eh? Since when Happy AND rested people think a lot and demand things? They are happy AND rested. They would not. On the other hand, tired, angry people would definitely demand a better life. The question is - is it going to be granted to them.
Is that the Northern line?
The video did not provide the exact metro line.
I think all the lines (except Overground etc) share rolling stock, and just change the number of train cars, so it’s impossible to tell
edit: this has been a slow process since 2010, so they are slowly converting to “S-Stock” from previous stock. I’ve not lived in London for a decade now, so I can’t comment first hand, but I recall the District/Circle lines used to be different to the Northern/Central lines. I dont know if that’s changed.
Damn it. That’s me on my current commute. I’m on a bus though. I hate the bus. Soo much rather be on the train.
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Statistically, most of them will be blue collar workers.
Awful AI slop
is that important to the discussion?
It’s even better than a real photo in this case, because you don’t have to worry that any depicted person is real and doesn’t want their face plastered over the internet.
I can’t wait until the novelty of GenAI wears off so we can resume concentrating on the message instead of the carrier medium. Either that, or until it becomes undetectable, which will probably be in 1-2 years at the current speed.
I don’t agree with your view on AI but I definitely support your first point. Taking pictures of strangers and posting them on the internet has become way too normalised.
What “discussion” lol
“Does this look like (specific policy) is good?” [AI generated frowny faces]
Just wow man. The only thing trash like this accomplishes is making the movement look like it has nothing, hence the need to try and pass off slop. Enjoy your moralizing corporation worship though I’m sure next year’s perfect AI will do really great things for the world
The RTO discussion the text is about, if you didn’t read the text.
What “moralizing corpo worship” do you see in my comment?
- this isn’t AI
- Even if AI, it would be better than posting the faces of unwilling participants
- and even more even if AI, i can generate images on my own graphics card, no need for corpos, TYVM, and even if i hadn’t a suitable card, there are things like AI Horde where normal people allow others to generate pictures, free of charge (yes, not even paid with any ads or tracking)
You have issues, mate, but i’m pretty sure i cannot help you, better talk to a therapist or smth idc
lol cheers mate, have fun with your AI generated podcasts or whatever
Detectors aren’t 100%, blah blah, but this isn’t even pinging on any I used. Text doesn’t look AI. The image has a weird quality to it, but to me it looks more like a filter/bad camera/bad lighting than AI.
Yeah this is a real image. It’s all post-processed smoothing from subtle movements captured on what was probably a 3 photo HDR bust by a camera phone. Meanwhile, some of the issues are literally artifacts from compression and the rolling shutter.
Look at all the additional comments that have been added. This is almost definitely ai
The fact that we even have to have this conversation… Ugh
Just wait until the difference is so slight that none of us can tell the difference.
Hey what part do you think looks like AI slop?
I can’t see anything suspect but I’m looking pretty hard for it. If I’m wrong then that’s scary.
Is the photo somehow glitched that I don’t see?
i also didnt see it at first.
look at the person in the brown coat on the right. their glasses and eyes melted together. the text above them is garbled nonsense. and the person sitting to their left is wearing shoes that dont fit into the background and slightly overlap with the other ones’ shoes. the person on the left holding their glasses seems to still be wearing glasses, and their ear is an unusual shape.
thats about all i noticed tho. pretty scary indeed.
EDIT: i believe i stand corrected and the glitches i pointed out are just camera glitches or possibly some kind of unusual photo editing.
look at the person in the brown coat on the right. their glasses and eyes melted together.
No, that is because frames frequently have a lighter color/clear on the inside of the frame so they aren’t as distracting. Tufts of hair near ears can also make things look wonky when you can’t see fhe individual hairs. Blurry hands tends to be moving. This is a low quality image and the ‘blending’ effects are just normal potato image quality.
AI would not be able to get buy holding glasses while face in hands right,l (the black line above his ear is hair), would have screwed up the shoe logos, and a bunch of other small details.
There’s a bunch more when you look closely. Blue jacket guy’s eyeglasses arm blends directly into his hand. And his thumb is wacky looking. White sweater guy’s hand is a pointy triangle straight out of tomb raider one. Guy on the right just past the pole, his hands/pants/phone are all a mishmash of impossible. Brown coat lady’s ear is straight out of star trek. And her glasses frame rim goes under her nose. Etc.
I think you’re wrong.
The glasses are absolutely smudged, but that is from the image processing on the phone. Low light most smartphones try to reduce noise by smoothing the picture, often excessively.
The text above the woman is not garbled nonsense, it says “<indecipherable> is biGGer”. The upper case G’s makes it look strange, but it is cohesive text.
The shoes look to be another smoothing artifact.
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He thinks smartphone camera upscaling is AI slop
WHICH IT IS, but it’s not what he thinks it is
No, look at all the additional comments that have pointed out all the errors. This is almost definitely an ai generated image. I think you’re right that there might ALSO be ai upscaling, but the base image is likely an ai generated image too
Signs all over the image, most obvious place to look would be the woman’s face directly under the “is”. Glasses and eyebrows and nose all swirling together
Hah yeah the woman’s eyeglasses frame goes under her nose
It’s a screencap from a TikTok video.
Someone in the thread posted the source. It’s from an AI scammer’s account. He generated it to promote his AI scams
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So much debate about the pixels, when you could just reverse image search and find it’s from a video.
Now talk about the pixels in the tiktok original instead I guess.
Literally an AI generated video generated by an AI scammer account who is actively using it to shill his AI scams. Thanks for clearing that up lol
They don’t care about this part at all. This is your time. It’s your fault for not being rich.
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I’m counting down the months until my work relocates to our new head office. I can say goodbye to the 35-75 minute commute (each way), and have a reliable ~60min train ride.
Sure it might take longer, overall - but I’ll be able to relax by reading a book, taking a nap or playing a game. I’d much rather that than deal with the anxiety of bumper-to-bumper traffic in a sea of SUVs filled with inattentive drivers.
I literally drive past at least one accident every day on my way to work. The Monash Highway in Victoria, IYKYK.
It really is the least talked about benefit to public transport, yet is so significant. Sure you can’t do too much but you can watch a show/movie, play a game, read, write, draw or even do your taxes and shop from your phone and laptop.
Certainly can’t do that driving around. And it let’s you relax and change from work mode to home mode. Even if you have to do a little drive to and from the station.
Plus like you mentioned, less chance of delays and being involved in accidents. Win win win win.
I always try to argue this when people say they’d rather drive to commute.
When you drive both you and your employer lose time. When you take a train you keep your time in a way.
I enjoy the drive a lot. However, I also don’t live in a big city, so the drive is nice.
Never thought I’d find myself in agreement with The Dark Lord, yet here I am…
taking a nap
Well, I see you don’t live in America lol.
That highway is in Melbourne, Australia. I fell asleep on a train in Australia once as a kid and for some reason had my shoes off. When I put them back on I crushed a cockroach that had snuck inside. As long as you check your shoes before putting them on, you should be just fine taking a nap on an Australian train.
Bro, EW lmao.
Tbf, you could probably sleep fairly safely on a lot of trains in the US. That said, it’s entirely too frequent, when I ride my area’s transit, that I see some wild shit that I’d really prefer not be asleep around.
TBH I have also fallen asleep on the NYC subway and the worst thing that happened was I missed my stop and accidentally went super far in the wrong direction
If they’re really, really good.
Here in Munich, our public transport is much better than any American city, but I still hate taking the train in summer. AC either does not exist or is far too weak. Taking the car takes 40, maybe 50 minutes, the train 1h25min. I still take the train, mind you, but it’s so much more exhausting than the car…
I have to mention my daily commute is between two cities outside Munich.
Environmentally, absolutely…personally? I absolutely fucking hate using public transport. I’d take 90min of sitting still in traffic alone in my car over bumping and griding with random strangers for 90min on a train any day.
I do not. I can read or watch movies while riding a train. No chance in a car.
Listening to podcasts, ebooks or music are good when driving, I also tend to get very anxious when traveling and I’m not driving, it’s unfortunate lol
The stink (perfume or BO) and unwanted proximity to strangers makes it a very unpleasant experience, no book or movie can make up for that IMO.
evryone look irritated getting randomly photographed
Its partly tradition, power displays, and disbelief. People who’ve been managers for decades somehow believe that being in the office is the only true way to do work because that’s how it’s always been done. Then you have some managers who will always get off on the fact that they can hold people’s ability to feed themselves hostage to make them do what they want. Lastly, some managers just don’t believe you can be productive at home. After all, all the not work things are there.
I know this site is heavily weighted towards IT professionals and other pure-office-work type professions, but sometimes in office work really is better than work from home. Online meetings are largely useless, even when it’s a proper meeting, not just a should-have-been-an-email meeting.
In my current job, remote work isn’t an option, and I can’t tell you how much time I’ve wasted trying to get engineers and software devs to understand things that would have taken two seconds to understand if they would go physically look at the thing. But of course, they can’t do that because they are working remotely. Instead we get to waste half a day playing picture/video tag
Online meetings are largely useless
Oh! Oh! This is where people say “skill issue”, isn’t it?
If you can’t run a productive meeting over zoom you probably can’t do one in person, either.
I think most people acknowledge that some things do gain efficiency in physical proximity. Most dont. We aren’t talking about you.
Though sending a solidworks file shoukd be easier than it presently ie.
I think this is all really subjective and depends on how your team does work. Getting people to work with you or understand things is a communication problem, and in my own experience, being in the office didn’t eliminate those issues.
I agree there are times to be in the office, but it damn sure doesn’t need to be every day all the time. IMO people need to adapt, be smart and figure out what works for their teams and themselves, not hold themselves to tradition for its own sake.
Managers should be empowered to make these decisions to do the research and figure out the best strategy for their situation, and I think many would like that responsibility.
This will depend on your work. All my work is on the computer. Showing someone something is as easy as sharing my screen (and this might even be better, as I can draw on it).
And I don’t agree online meetings are useless. All of my team work from home most of the time, and we work out how to make that work.
Having half the group in the office and half joining remotely I think is the worst of both worlds.
Remotely joining an in person meeting is horrible. Joining a remote meeting from your desk is fine.
Yeah except for the people around you trying to work as you jibber jabber 😆
Skill issue :-)
Wasting a lot of time on “explaining things” is an excellent indicator of overstaffing.
Which is completely orthogonal to the question of remote work or not.Explaining things often is a sign of over staffing? That’s a new idea for me. Why?
Those things, and needing to prop up the commercial realestate market.
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IMHO, it depends on the role. Do you have a role that benefits from in person collaboration, or do you have a role where focus is the priority?
People get into warring camps about remote or onsite work, and we rarely talk about engineers, designers, accountants, etc. having very different needs. One size doesn’t fit all.
Remote work has been studied extensively for decades and the findings overwhelmingly show that remote workers, when provided the right tools and support, are significantly more productive. Demanding people commute to an office was never about productivity.
Eh, we don’t have buses or trains at all.
But fighting traffic pumps up your adrenaline and you’re ready to crush it when you walk in the office door! /s
