Senior Justice Department officials are weighing proposals to limit transgender people’s right to possess firearms, according to two officials familiar with the internal discussions.
  • -RJ-@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    So if the next mass shooting is done by a non-trans person, does that mean non-trans people will be restricted from owning a gun?

    • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Judging from right-wing media, all mass shooters secretly become trans just before pulling the trigger.

      • -RJ-@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        So you’re saying that guns make people trans? Surely the right want to stop that too?

  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    In case anyone’s in any doubt about whether there’s any factual basis for this:

    Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims

    This CNN article states it well:

    Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.

    That’s it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons’ attention diverted from real problems.

    And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):

    The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”

    Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)

    But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.

    That’s surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.

    • solrize@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      From what I understand, people with mental disorders (e.g. taking anti-anxiety meds) can still own guns. The threshold for being disallowed is if the person has been involuntarily institutionalized. So even if you have some kind of mental health crisis and check yourself in, that’s voluntary so it doesn’t prohibit you. It sounds hard to fit gender dysphoria into that framework.

      OTOH apparently you’re prohibited if you’ve used pot in the past year, so maybe they’ll expand that to include vaccinations.

      • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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        7 months ago

        The logical direction this is going is that they want to do something bad and Nazi-ish to trans people. I hope it doesn’t go that far, but they’re rounding up other people already so people need to be ready for a fight.

        • scintilla@crust.piefed.socialEnglish
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          7 months ago

          And it won’t stop at trans people like the “normal gays” seem to think everyone on the LGBTQ+ spectrum should be ready to flee/fight ASAP.

          • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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            7 months ago

            The way I look at it is: this isn’t just trans people’s battle. They just happen to have found themselves on the frontline of a war that’s coming for everyone, so we all need to fight this together. If trans people lose rights, those are rights everyone else has lost too, because they’re now a matter of the fascists’ discretion so not really rights at all. If you’re not their chosen victim today you may be tomorrow, and fascists’ victim lists have no end but grow and grow. So it’s for all of us to fight for trans rights today, because the attack on trans people is an attack on all people and we’re in this together.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    It makes sense if you don’t think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
    It’s all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
    USA is a disgusting society.

    • tidderuuf@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      There was a convicted criminal now representative in my state that has a YouTube video out of her firing an assault weapon. She was the lead sponsor of the bill that banned assault weapons in our state. On top of that because of her past convictions it is illegal for her to be in possession of a firearm.

      It only makes sense if you don’t look at the shit show behind the curtains.

    • andros_rex@lemmy.worldOP
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      7 months ago

      It’s shaping up to declare us all mentally incompetent so that they can institutionalize us. They won’t stop here.

      • bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip
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        7 months ago

        It’s a stepping stone. First they’ll target trans people, than anyone LGBTQIA+, then minorities, then anyone with liberal views, then anyone who looks weird to them. That was the purpose of that EO dipshit signed a few weeks back directing is admin to explore how to institutionalize anyone deemed mentally incompetent. All they have to do is declare “x group” is mentally ill and then they’ll round em all up. It’s fucked.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        What a nightmare, and AFAIK no country will accept trans people from USA as refugees (yet).
        I hope you have options.

        • not_that_guy05@lemmy.world
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          7 months ago

          I think Canada does from what they reported of asylum sellers from the US and mostly were trans.

          I hope if shit pops off they can send us care packages from the north.

          • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            Source for that claim? I’m pretty sure Canada is unfortunately still very backwards on granting asylum to people who need it (like most countries in the world are), but I’d love to be wrong about that.

          • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            Last I checked (last week? Does time mean anything anymore?) canada doesn’t want poor trans refugees more than any other country. A few people have gotten in, but the vast majority of applicants are being denied asylum.

            • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
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              7 months ago

              we’re a good deal, if anyone wants to take us. a lot of us are reeeaaallyy good at science, math and programming. like the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany were pretty great for the countries who took them in as refugees.

                • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  7 months ago

                  we’re not all network engineers! there’s also uh… rust and haskell programmers, reverse engineers, hardware engineers, category theorists and topologists, uh… biochemists and physicists probably?

                  also there’s not like, loads of trans people. that’s why we’re so easy to attack.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I mean, it’s not like they’re gonna try to stop him. These are just trans people’s rights and democrats only talk about protecting trans rights until they get pushback from bigots.

      Hell, they’ll probably help him.

    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
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      7 months ago

      Which is often one of the big points.

      Actually banning firearms purchasing is the kind of mess that “Universal 2FA” supporters* support up until they realize the logistics of what it would entail and quickly bounce back because it might impact white people.

      But what does happen is the affected groups see the threat of a ban. So those who are particularly scared rush out to buy guns while they can (and so do the people who want them dead). Which bumps up sales and makes the firearms industry happy.

      But it also means cops have an excuse to assume every single trans person is packing a machine gun. So no knock raids and executions increase.

      *: Except for basically the select few gun nuts like Karl at inRange (Kasarda?) who actually genuinely believe everyone should have the right to own a gun and has gotten shit on and shunned by much of the “firearms community” for expressing these thoughts. With respect to trans people, even.

        • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
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          7 months ago

          Its 'second amendment for all" or “second for all”. I dunno, they change their Movement’s branding every time a company decides to be ridiculously bigoted and they have to make it clear “Second amendment for everyone except those people”

          • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            7 months ago

            2A4E, maybe? Just found that one but there might be others. I knew what you were getting at but enjoyed the idea of 2-factor authentication nerds starting with something they know and something they have but adding in a something to keep the something they have from being taken away from them.

  • Jimbabwe@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Next up, people with Trump Derangement Syndrome (RFK can diagnose you as you walk around in the airport)!

      • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Ha, you’re not wrong. I had actually forgotten about that, damn news consciousness is hard now. Yeah dumb lefty laws and they’re actually in effect, but if they declare being trans as a mental illness and bar them from owning any guns, that’s an entirely different beast. That’s a core breach of the 2nd amendment in any interpretation.

        • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
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          7 months ago

          watch the Court decide that the history-and-tradition framework justifies restricting guns from seditious groups, citing slave rebellion laws as precedent, while ruling that discriminating against trans people satisfies strict scrutiny. 6-3, with Alito writing for the Majority.

          we’re so fucking cooked.

          • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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            7 months ago

            It’s almost like you shouldn’t let it get to the point of them taking your guns. Almost like that’s the whole reason you have them.

  • Oxysis/Oxy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    7 months ago

    I hate my life and I hate this world so much, yes this shithole of a country is one of the worst but others are rapidly sliding to this too. Why couldn’t I have just been born a women and never had to deal with all of this

    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      7 months ago

      This is in no way to diminish your struggle or do any type of oppression ranking, but the GOP hates cis women too, with anti-abortion laws, putting rapists on the supreme court, aims at removing no fault divorce, the desire to make cis women baby factories who can’t vote or work, etc. Cis hyper religious rich white men are the only things they tend to like.

      • Oxysis/Oxy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        7 months ago

        They hate cis women less than they hate trans women, they me dead. At least cis women are allowed to live which is an improvement over what I have to deal with. At least other countries will more easily accept cis women in and allow them to exist. Being a cis woman right now isn’t easy but being a trans woman is goddamn hellish.

    • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
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      7 months ago

      hugs from a fellow trans woman. <3

      this sucks. living with transphobia and dysphoria sucks. I can’t promise it’ll get better. hold your community tight, help them and let them help you. we’re all we’ve got.

    • IamSparticles@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I’m sorry this is happening. For whatever small comfort it may bring, please be assured that there are many people who don’t hate you for being who and what you are, and we are doing all we can to help.

  • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    It’s amazing how we’re all told growing up there’s no black and white good and evil. The world doesn’t really have vampires and villains, just people who disagree on what’s right. I’m surprised he hasn’t painted the White House black yet.

    (Yes, I know, but gold doesn’t fit the metaphor)

  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 months ago

    Yeah, after all those mass shootings done by transgenders, I understand.

    Wait, how many of the long list of mass shootings were done by transgenders? What is the muder rate in percentage by transgenders compared to sisgenders?

  • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
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    7 months ago

    welp, that tears it. time to buy my first gun, while I still can. I’m not a big fan of guns but fuck if I’m going to let myself and my community be disarmed by the fascists. I’m not going quietly if they send us to the camps.

    • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      If you do and have not used one before please get training in the proper operation of it. Even if its from a book. Practice until you are comfortable with it. Otherwise you may end up shooting yourself or someone you care about by accident. You should know how it works and how to break down and clean it yourself.

        • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
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          7 months ago

          Good. I started learning when I was six. I had to of course relearn many of the things I was taught as a child. I used to own nearly thirty firearms. No reason really. I just enjoyed shooting them. At targets. I didn’t like to hunt. Over time I sold them all down to two. One is the first firearm I every bought myself. The other is the first gun my dad ever gave me. It jammed and the feed tube was maligned and he couldn’t fix it. He bought another and gave the bad one to me. I broke it down when my parents were not around and fixed it. I haven’t fired more than a dozen rounds in the last fifteen years. I really hope I don’t have to fire one ever again.

  • Professorozone@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    How would this stop them? Couldn’t they just use the same gun show/online loopholes (the many way ways to acquire a gun in America)everyone else does?

    EDIT: changed the phrasing to more accurately reflect the reality to satisfy people’s dependence on nitpicking details at the cost of understanding the actual point.

    • lando55@lemmy.zip
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      7 months ago

      I didn’t want to spark a semantic debate, I am genuinely curious how people perceive firearm sales and acquisition in the US.

      In my experience of having purchased and sold a few guns over the years, it’s not quite as straightforward as most would believe. The laws vary by state, but in my cases all private sales (even at gun shows) are subject to background checks facilitated by an FFL holder (think gun store or pawn shop) and any applicable waiting periods.

      That’s not to say back-alley deals don’t still occur and that unregulated states do a great job of tracking ownership, but the risk that private firearm sales and straw purchases pose are largely mitigated by the fact that most people don’t want to have their name linked to a firearm that was sold to some unsavory individual.

    • Event_Horizon@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Probably. I think this is more about providing an excuse for jailing any trans who choose to own a firearm, rather than stopping them

    • lando55@lemmy.zip
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      7 months ago

      Serious question: do you believe that you can purchase a firearm from a commercial dealer online or at a gun show without regulation? Because in most cases, that simply isn’t true.

      • Professorozone@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        I’ll admit I’m not educated on the subject but it was my understanding that there is a loophole for gun shows.

        In a country where there are more guns than people, I don’t believe the barriers to entry for gun ownership for someone who really wants one are substantial. So fundamentally, yes, I do believe this.

          • Professorozone@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            Don’t private sale happen at gun shows? And don’t you find it a little silly that you are criticizing the detail of HOW this is done while missing the bigger picture of how easy it is to get a gun in America.

            Here are me to edit that post to suit you pedantry.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            7 months ago

            I’ve never been to a gun show, but I went to a guitar show as a teenager, looking to buy a bass, and I ended up chatting up some dude carrying his Rickenbacker 4001 around in a case, looking to sell.

            We went out to the parking lot and made a private sale. All cash, no tax, no receipt.