On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”
The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”
Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.
Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”
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Trump is leaving office in a casket tbh. There’s even a decent chance it happens before his term is up.
I’ll be mildly surprised if he sees 2026.
All this really does make me wonder about that Fourth Turning theory…it’s like 80 years since the end of WWII, almost to the day.
We fought a war to end fascism.
Looks like we’re all terrorists.
Everyone arm up.
CPAC is finally correct now!
I armed up back in 2018. Not sure why anyone else wouldn’t have by now. Maybe just extreme naivete.
Suicidal tendencies, mostly. As much as I wish I could buy a gun, I’d probably be most likely to turn it towards myself.
But there are so many billionaires just loitering about.
I am a terrorist now I guess.
If you’re a terrorist to a fascist regime, you’re one of the good guys.
Does this mean that Trump and his followers are fascists?
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Well it’s a good thing America has a stellar track record on wars against ideas, e.g. drugs, terror, and Christmas. Let’s declare war on Opposition, there’s no way to lose that one
can we sign an order claiming trump is a terrorist organization?
Is Antifa even an organization, and not just a general term for people who oppose fascism, which should be the majority of the population?
There is no general “antifa”, but there are many individual (often regional) organizations with some form of “anti-fascist” or “antifa” in the name, like “rose city antifa”.
In addition, there are many organizations that are not specifically antifascist, but would describe an opposition to fascism as part of their core beliefs. This includes a lot of media organizations.
Lastly, anyone with political views that do not support fascism are automatically anti-fascist.
The goal is to oppress all 3 categories of people.
Antifa is a concept (anti-fascism) people can support or not. Antifa isn’t people.
Antifa released a statement on this EO.
I almost clicked that.
Nice try FBI
It’s ok, I clicked it for you. Here is a screen shot:
I love that this is their sole response, hosted on a .org domain and that there’s nothing else there. No Contact Us page, no upcoming events, nothing to indicate they actually do anything or are even a group. Just that dumbass tweet and BLM support.
The post answers that mate
How is this even an allowed source for “news”?
Yeah… Welcome to Lemmy.
A-fascist-says-what?
Come on Trump, you can do better. Here in The Netherlands the government has signed a motion banning antifa already last week! Try to keep up, will ya? /s
It’s so unfortunate that journalism is dead, otherwise we could’ve had some interesting discussions on this topic. For instance, I would like really like to know what would happen if a WWII veteran would speak out against fascism. Will we (The Netherlands or in this case the US) lock that person up?
How do they tell the difference between “opposition to fascism” and the “opposition to stupidity”?
They don’t need to, it’s the same thing.
I’m still going to protest, because I’m not the coward that these fascists are hoping for.
Getting arrested for holding a sign on public property will be a slam dunk lawsuit.
Executive Orders cover the federal executive branch. They aren’t federal law, they aren’t state law & the certainly don’t override the Constitution.
Grow a fucking spine.
Not for long.
^^^ Look at this guy with his…
“I’ll be protected by the law” attitude…
I get what you guys are saying but this idealogy is what makes this a reality. People must continue to protest in large numbers. Only once the numbers dwindle will they sweep in and start charging people with terrorism. There is safety in numbers.
That’s why you’ve got guns.
We need to protest even if we’re not protected. We need to protest even if we wind up hanging for it, like Sofie Scholl.
In a sane world, yeah, it would be a slam-dunk lawsuit, but we’re in uncharted territory now, so who knows if that will remain true. The direction we’re moving in will be so much worse. If we don’t protest now, when we might possibly have some protection, we’ll wind up in a world where our protest will absolutely cost us our life.
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Just today Stephen Miller claimed that calling the Trump regime “authoritarian” was terrorism.
I mean, we think the same of you.
Guys. being against “antifa” doesn’t not equal being against “anti-fascist”. They’ve got yall spun around
Well, at least you’re accidentally correct about this one
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And im sure Trump is under the full impression that “antifa” is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he’s basically canceling a non-existent group?
When this order gets interpreted and implemented, will they be reading Trump’s mind (ugh, sick thought) or will they be reading the order?
Trump is like King Tommen, happily banging the seal of the King on whatever mommy puts in front of him. Whether or not he has the faintest idea of what he is signing is entirely irrelevant. The people who wrote the order know what they want it to mean, and they won’t be interpreting it any other way. What Trump thinks is far less relevant than what Stephen Miller thinks.
What are you even talking about…? Seriously i didn’t understand that, it may be my fault.
Which part did you not understand?
I’ll come at it from another direction. The executive order is nonsense from a legal perspective for any number of reasons, but that’s assuming the Trump administration intends to follow the rule of law. I hope it’s pretty obvious by now that we can’t make that assumption.
Lets say you are an ideological enemy of Trump that the administration want’s to railroad. They use this executive order to prompt the FBI to start digging. The FBI isn’t going to push back and say that antifa isn’t an organization, and they will never have to prove such a thing in court. They still have to find something to charge you with though, but you are a model citizen with no criminal record, and you have never said anything online that could possibly be twisted to sound like a threat. So, you are safe, except…
Since you have been implicated as a domestic terrorist, the intelligence agencies get roped in. Independent of the FBI, these agencies are the top experts in the entire world at finding your secrets and even at fabricating pretty much any document or other piece of evidence they want. As a terrorist (yeah, they drop the “implicated” part pretty quickly) you are a risk to national security. Suddenly the FBI is getting tips that lead them to whatever they need to put you away for whatever crime is most useful.
This is exactly how fascist governments operate.
I have hated rage bait and click bait ny entire life. I know what you are saying. But this, no this is just truthful.
If there was an organization,sure. But since antifa does not exist, and just stands for “anti fashist” there is exactly no misunderstanding. It’s their psychosis bulging out of their pores and it’s very dangerous
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God I hope they come for you first.
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Turn on your autocorrect, fascist. Fucking moron.
there’s no way this person isn’t trolling, right? right?
They are, unfortunately, very stupid. Also a troll though.
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dude, you lose the right to have opinions about any of this shit ever again. You were so confident in your ignorance. Sit down, shut up.
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Did you know you can go to antifa.org for membership and a card?
Straight up, yall are delusional and can fuvk right off.
Ha ha ha ha, what a twat.
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Hey, respect to ya for owning it tho. No worries, I’ve had plenty of my own twat days too.
Lol “designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”
It’s the same game Bush played with The War on Terror or Reagan with the War on Drugs. Write orders so vague and all-encompassing that virtually anyone could qualify based on a police officer or prosecutor having bad vibes.
Trump’s running on a very time tested playbook
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Different time, different subjects completely.
Same subjects - the poor, the marginalized, the minorities.
And “different time” is such a fucking cop out. It’s always a “different time”. What difference is that supposed to make? It’s the same policy.
Holy shit you’re dumb.
Both the “war on drugs” and Trump’s Antifa move use intentionally wide nets so they can catch whatever they want and spin it however they want.
Now, the “war on drugs” is far enough in hindsight that we know it was a failure and we know it was a ploy by the Reagan admin to make it look like they were accomplishing something and gain support. What Trump is doing is the same, but far, far more dangerous.
You can’t be this stupid. I mean you can, and are, but goddamn.
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Thanks for this sanity check.
I looked at the source and noticed, well, it wasn’t anything reputable that I recognized like AP. That usually means they have very little journalistic integrity and have no problem sensationalizing headlines to get clicks.
This is just one more step in labeling anything opposed to the Trump administration as enemies of the state. If you don’t see that you are either ignorant or complicit. The fact that it’s so badly defined is why it makes the perfect boogeyman. They can attribute any characteristics they want to “Antifa” and then anyone who espouses those characteristics is under suspicion of being a terrorist.
We should still get our facts straight and not rely on hyperbole, which just opens us up to being corrected and looking like idiots who don’t bother to verify what they spout.
If it really is as bad as you say, then we shouldn’t need to embellish it. Stick to the facts and let people form their own opinions.
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It’s sad this needs to be spelled out for so many of you, but it just goes to show how few of you paid attention in social studies or had extremely poor teachers.
Look at this pseudo-intellectual telling us to educate ourselves while ignoring an extremely bright neon red flag that looks a whole hell of a lot like a common tactic used by fascist regimes to label anyone they want an enemy of the state.
How about you stop trying to educate us and educate yourself, champ.
Most of them react like you when faced with their incompetence.
Sorry bud. Everyone doesn’t get a gold star this time.
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Found the tankie.
Found the idiot
Don’t you have boots to lick?
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I don’t know what you are smoking but you should stop, it is damaging your brain.
Goddamn son. You need to pick up a fucking history book and get back to us.
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