"There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. "- Admiral Adama
If you are in USA, is a good time to downloading an “Black bloc manual” in some offline storage
Rather than addressing the issue. Yet again.
Here we go, is this what they have been waiting for?
Yes. Trump desperately wants to enact martial law. He wants power and will do anything to get it.
Oh no worries. Trump is such a fan of insurrections he hands out pardons by the thousands for them - every single pardon personally signed by him, and totally not by autopen, I’m sure.
Seriously, though. Can’t wait for him to cry victim and pull a surprised pikachu when all this pushback to his antagonization makes it to the steps of the White House. Hope he keeps the surprised face until the bitter end, and that end can’t come soon enough.
I’m afraid he’ll declare martial law. What happens if he does?
We all know what it takes to remove fascists from power
There would probably be no consequences for him, but the “martial law” would probably be ignored and not happen.
As I understand it, in the US, martial law can only legally happen if the courts are unable to function. Basically, if things are so bad courts are unable to judge people, you let the military judge them.
The law hasn’t mattered so far. It is illegal for him to deploy the National Guard without the governor’s consent, which was not given. Not only was it now given, but Trump went out of his way to denounce the governor while illegally deploying the National Guard.
The US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is operating under the appearance of one, an appearance that falls apart the closer you look at it.
What you say and what I say don’t contradict. ICE is already acting as if martial law was declared, ignoring due process/habeas corpus. If Trump declared martial law, those that still follow laws, constitution and the courts would keep doing so and those that follow Trumps orders above all would also keep doing so. There would be no substantial change.
Hence Trump’s verbal war on the judicial branch of our government.
Zero consequences, as usual.
I’m not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.
Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder
Reminds me of Victoria BC in Canada, whole place feels like a liberal nightmare. The place is run and populated by champagne liberals who step over homeless addicts on their way to their micro breweries so they can congratulate each other on how progressive they are.
This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It’s just pissed off people, not people with a plan.
Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it’s just bored people with mob mentality.
What do you think the people’s response should be to being black-bagged off the streets by people who don’t have badges, don’t wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vehicles and wear masks?
This hasn’t even begun to get nasty, yet.
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how are they supposed to make a strategy? I mean I’m with you 100%, but normal people aren’t going to be able to create a war strategy without some sort of funding and support.
I mean, strategy forms as you test the waters and see what response you get. The infancies of rebellions often aren’t the most strategic.
This is arguably the most dangerous kind of war, at least for the elites and authoritarians. Angry people without a plan are unpredictable.
California is only “progressive” to the extent that it makes neo-liberals richer.
Massachusetts is the real center of progressivism in the US.
The entire east coast is more progressive because they value modesty and hard work way more than lazy, privileged Californians.
Ah yes, those lazy Californian fake progressives, so fake and lazy to fight in the streets. Unlike those ultra poor in Massachusetts doing nothing to show how progressive they are.
“more than lazy, privileged Californians”? wtf are you talking about.
East Coast Beast Coast baby. Bad things happen in Philly don’t come around
Throw batteries at ICE
You guys do love hammerin’ shit. Never change, Philly.
Repeat after me: A government that is bluntly sending weapon to bomb kids have no concern of it is own citizen.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.
I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.
the people downvoting you are morons and i’m not sure why they’re even here.
How about “America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version”?
trump isn’t the parody version… he is the logical, and inevitable end point. he is the perfect avatar and representation of what america is, what it stands for, and what it has ALWAYS stood for! trump is the perfect president because he so perfectly encapsulates every single american value: he is lazy, fat, stupid, corrupt, proudly ignorant and scared of anything he doesnt understand.
how do you look at 250 years of american history and not see that he represents exactly what made america ‘great’? genocide, slavery, segregation and jim crow laws…
These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.
I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)
Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.
No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.
Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.
Nobody claimed that
Lol
'cept the entire tankieverse saying that you shouldn’t vote for Biden (later Harris) because they’re the ones causing the genocide in Gaza. Like yes, they did jack all to fix it, but we all knew Trump would be even worse. Telling that to just about any tankie resulted in “How can it get any worse than genocide? Voting for Biden/Harris means you voted for genocide” or something along those lines.
Didn’t take very long for Trump to go “lol Gaza is prime beachfront property tho, let’s get em fuckers out” after he got his throne back.
They actively courted the likes of Dick Cheney. They are perfectly fine with what’s happening right now
Oh yeah it was definitely fucked up. But at least we didn’t end up with Harris, so the world is saved.
No, the world remains fucked up in either case.
Two different topics. Giving billions of dollars and unlimited diplomatic backup vs giving billions of dollar and unlimited diplomatic backup. There is nothibg different when it comes to gaza. But i never saw people here saying trump would be better for american
It’s less that anyone said he’d be better for Americans and more that everyone said don’t vote for Harris, while Trump received no criticism. Getting dem voters to stay home is an old old republican strategy and the tankies definitely helped.
We are not Dem voters
Oh sorry, republican voter and/or republican helper.
Y’all take us for granted but give us nothing 🤷🏻♀️
Literally millions of people claimed that
Only republican cultists
They were so hard to tell from genuine but deluded leftists.
Are you blind and deaf?
No
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Your mother surely didn’t taught you how to be civilized
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What are you accomplishing right now?
They accomplished saying the people that helped get us here with idiotic false rhetoric can go fuck themselves. I’ll add preferably with something sharp.
These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.
It’s not a fucking immigration protest. They didn’t deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.
Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.
And so it begins.
yup. next stop: martial law.
Probably the most likely scenario - do ppl remember during COVID & BLM how parts of Portland were reclaimed for a time? There were lots of spontaneous mini-riots all over the place but Trump didn’t declare martial law. Will he this time? Will these protests spread? Is Trump gonna way over react this early, setting off more and more protests?? Is this the start?
This isn’t overreaction but planned reaction. Martial law has been the goal since before day 1 of 2.0.0
Yeah :/ if he declares marital law - then what. JFC
Funny how he doesn’t hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn’t do shit.
You don’t call for a flag on the play when it’s your team causing the penalty
He was in charge of the lynching
Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.
If you don’t own a gun, its time to get one, regardless of your stance on them. This is martial law without having to call it that.
Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.
Sooo, there’s that.
Legally I believe the National Guard must be mobilized for a legal reason and until Trump has identified an actual cause, he cannot mobilize them himself. So Newson should just order them to stand down.
Newson hasn’t done that though.
“oh, Trump wouldn’t do that, it’s illegal”
Phew, what a relief!
Also, when Trump does illegal stuff, people tend to allow it and obey him. If they try to shut him down using the legal system, he goes ahead and does it anyway.
I kind of just roll my eyes when someone says, “Aha, it’s illegal! He can’t do that!” We don’t really live in that world anymore.
My emphasis was more on Newsom not ordering them to stand down. They’re under his command until a legal order from the POTUS supercedes his command.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry. This is terrible advice.
What we should be doing is encouraging insubordination by service members. Why the fuck would you agree to use military force against your fellow Americans, on American soil? Not only is that unconstitutional, it’s simply not what you signed up for. Say no
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry
Says someone from the nation that mainly loses military conflicts with the citizenry…
yeah. not with that attitude.
Most states have a token State Guard that answers only to their governor, not the federal government. If Trump keeps this shit up, states are going to start disbanding their National Guard units, and shifting them into State control.
Except Trunp federalized the California National Guard, bypassing Newsome, that’s a pretty big problem. Newsome is suing Trunp. In the meantime - violence on citizens by cops and Trunp-allied forces continues.
Except Trunp federalized the California state force
No, he did not. He federalized the California National guard. The State Guard is a lesser-known organization that answers solely to the Governor. They cannot be federalized. Which is why we’re probably going to be seeing states putting more of their resources into their State Guards and less into their National Guard units.
As for the CA National Guard: Article I, Section 8, Clause 16. The State retains the sole authority to appoint the officers of the Militia.
10 USC 246. The National Guard is the Militia.
Newsom has the authority to appoint the officers of the National Guard. Revoking the appointments of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned officers of the California National Guard, he effectively disbands the organization.
Trump has no authority to override Newsom’s authority here.
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Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of South America would disagree with you.
Anyway. GovCo can’t win anyway. Not even in open hot war. They don’t have the numbers.
Military and Natl Guard combined are less than 3,000,000 people. And that includes the logistics that makes it all work. They couldn’t handle Afghanistan and its <50,000,000 people.
You overestimate how willing people are to throw their bodies at the problem. Things have to be so bad that they expect to die anyway. Otherwise, your militia sign-ups will be limited to only those most brave, ideological, or stupid.
You also underestimate how much more effective military training and ordinances are among the US military vs militias. If they really wanted to mow down civilians, it would be fish in a barrel, even if everyone in the militia is armed.
This is why the hope is that US service men are committed to the constitution and not to Drumpf’s orders. It’s a thin hope.
They’re committed to the paycheck. Don’t be naive. Do you think American soldiers are uniquely unable to carry out atrocities? That sweet salty buttery baby jesus is gonna reach down, touch their hearts and make them defy orders? I’ll refer you to uh, the last 25 years of action in the middle east.
This empire is dying live on TV. And all of them so far have ended bloody. We won’t be the exception.
I did say it was a thin hope (well I said ‘thing’ but I’ve corrected it now).
But I think you give your service men too little credit. Even the police. How many fatalities or even serious injuries have actually occurred during protest activities? These a generally not people who want to kill anyone, particularly not their American brothers and sisters. But when one side dehumanizes the other, all bets are off. If things actually become life threatening, then everything changes. Kill or be killed.
I’m happy to be surprised. But I have set my expectations appropriately low.
I expect some inciting event over the summer. Someone gets killed by the feds and those protests really do turn into real riots. Then the clown prince will escalate. Open war by Christmas.
Like I said. I’m happy to be proven wrong. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. Maybe we’ll luck out and he’ll have a stroke mid ramble or maybe some general will shoot the bastard during his military parade. But I don’t think we’re that lucky.
Another possible is a general strike. That Union leader they black bagged earlier this week. He hasn’t been released yet. If they try to deport him on some trumped up bullshit that’s gonna have an apocalyptic backlash from basically every union except the police union.
2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn’t want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.
Shit MAGA creating their version of Tiananmen Square. I guarantee the fucking CCP and Russians are smiling.
