No cure so you gotta rest. Nose is stuffed so you gotta mouth breathe. Throat is dry from mouth breathing. Dry throat makes it painful to swallow. Pain keeps you from sleeping and recovering. Lack of sleep leads to worse symptoms like piercing headaches. Need to rest to get rid of the headaches. Headache and swallowing is too painful to rest properly. Lack of rest perpetuates headaches, nose congestion, dry throat, painful swallowing.
What is this BS
I think that the real wonderment is that, even though we know the way virusses are distributed. And that social distancing is adamant in preventing that distribution, we simple tend to ignore this and spreading that shit like crazy.
That weird behaviour costs our economy millions.
That “weird behavior” of close, social cooperation is why we’re the apex predators of this planet, for better or worse.
Well in that era we were blissfully unaware of the cause of disease, so it wasn’t that weird.
Today it is
I mean it’s as weird as having wet eyes I guess
Sure, but you unfortunately can’t just toss out millions of years of evolutionary programming just because it’s no longer convenient. Hence, extinction is a thing.
https://www.lung.org/lung-health-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/facts-about-the-common-cold explains why we don’t have a vaccine but honestly you symptoms sound like you got the flu of some kind.
It’s incredibly good at responding to infections. That’s why you’re alive.
Taking medicine to reduce symptoms when you’re sick, actually increases the amount of time that you’re sick. You reducing the effectiveness of your body’s fight.
If you find yourself often getting sick, take a look at your overall health, especially your metabolic health. Make sure you’re getting enough sleep, zinc, sunlight, and avoiding sugar as much as you can.
Taking medicine to reduce symptoms when you’re sick, actually increases the amount of time that you’re sick. You reducing the effectiveness of your body’s fight.
Sorry I think this is unfounded quackery, and by making this assertion you risk increasing the suffering of others.
It makes sense in a logical kind of way… like if a fever helps fight an infection then taking paracetamol to avoid the fever must prevent you fighting the infection.
The thing is, there’s no evidence that infections work that way in practice. If taking paracetamol helps you get a good night sleep, maybe that is more effective than a fever.
A lot of your body’s natural defenses just aren’t really very effective at all. Like goose bumps, or shivering… obviously putting a jacket on is far more effective.
Sorry I think this is unfounded quackery, and by making this assertion you risk increasing the suffering of others.
https://doi.org/10.1592/phco.20.19.1417.34865
You might not like the advice, but it doesn’t make it quackry. You’re an adult, you can take any medicine you like. But the advice is sound, avoid treating symptoms as a first resort.
can you share an extract from the link that speaks to your point? im just not able to access the link
Multivariate analysis suggested that antipyretic therapy prolonged illness in subjects infected with influenza A, but its use was the result of prolonged illness in those infected with S. sonnei. The precise nature of these relationships requires a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled trial.
On a human level it should just make sense, don’t treat things that don’t need to be treated. If your fever is getting dangerously high, or if it’s preventing you from sleep and you got to work in the morning, use your medicine. But it shouldn’t be the first thing people go for. I have a mild headache I’m going to take some medicine, I have a slight fever I’m going to take some medicine, I have a sniffly nose I’m going to take some medicine. That’s not indicated.
They’re very few panaceas in this world, all medicines have trade-offs.
The quote suggests the study was suggestive of the conclusion but inadequate to reasonably confirm it.
Person 1: “don’t treat fevers, doing so prolongs the illness itself”
Person 2: “there’s no evidence of that, it’s quackery”
Person 1: “here’s a study that says there’s no evidence that it’s false, either.”
Person 2 was probably being somewhat rude, but also wasn’t wrong in the substance of the actual comment.
I’m of the camp that treating a fever makes me feel better, and it isn’t shown to prolong or worsen illness.
I feel you’ve missed a minimum of two very important points here. Person 1 actually shared a link showing that treatment of 'flu-induced fever prolonged the infection (rather than attempted to prove quackery, or failed to affirm the negative). Then it was argued that feeling better is not a helpful way of measuring effectiveness of treatment.
Pov You contract gangrene in the tropics, far from a hospital.
Your best chance of survival is still to bite on this wood while I cut off your leg. It’s not going to make you feel better, but you might just live.
Would you still prefer the analgesics?
Sure, one thing you will find in all paper is that further studies are warranted. I was just illustrating to our dear friend above that their quackery statement wasn’t being civil.
I’m sorry if you’re offended by being called a quack.
It’s a term often applied to those making bold medical claims without sufficient evidence.
Sadly, if you want to make a claim contrary to settled medical science generally accepted the world over and applied in literally billions of cases each year, a study you found on google with 120 volunteers is… insufficient.
Interesting study, but the sample size of 54 is a bit too small, and usually strong medical research requires placebo controlled randomized trials. The ones that received medicine in this trial had to meet a specific criteria I.e. not randomized. Still interesting study to build off of nonetheless
Sorry, if you want to make a claim contrary to well established and generally accepted medical advice then you’ll need much better evidence.
The study you linked has a pathetically small scale of 120 individuals, is not randomised or placebo-controlled. Classic P-hacking. The result literally states that a better study is required.
This meta study, which includes the one you linked, concludes that there is no effect on the duration of an infection.
Out of the 1466 references found, 25 RCTs were included. There were two studies assessing mean fever clearance time, and five studies examining the duration of symptoms associated with the illness studied. No statistically significant differences were found when pooling the results of the different studies.
Your advice is anything but “sound”. The only sensible advice is to follow the advice of your health care professional, and we both know what that will be.
Quackery? Lmao. It’s proven that reducing fevers through anti-inflammatory medication lengthens the cold symptoms.
You’re the quack here.
I’m looking forward to reading the “proof” you’ll undoubtedly provide any moment now.
https://doi.org/10.1592/phco.20.19.1417.34865
Nice alt account btw.
Oh please.
This is the same pathetic study the other guy posted which I responded to elsewhere:
Sorry, if you want to make a claim contrary to well established and generally accepted medical advice then you’ll need much better evidence.
The study you linked has a pathetically small scale of 120 individuals, is not randomised or placebo-controlled. Classic P-hacking. The result literally states that a better study is required.
This meta study, which includes the one you linked, concludes that there is no effect on the duration of an infection.
Out of the 1466 references found, 25 RCTs were included. There were two studies assessing mean fever clearance time, and five studies examining the duration of symptoms associated with the illness studied. No statistically significant differences were found when pooling the results of the different studies.
Your advice is anything but “sound”. The only sensible advice is to follow the advice of your health care professional, and we both know what that will be.
Also, the other user you’re talking to is not my alt account, I guess we just happen to have similar names. The only people who think people have “alt” accounts are idiots who think their profile is some kind of extention of their identity. You probably think your updoot count is somehow reassuring. Honestly.
It’s proven
It is?
Conclusions. Multivariate analysis suggested that antipyretic therapy prolonged illness in subjects infected with influenza A, but its use was the result of prolonged illness in those infected with S. sonnei. The precise nature of these relationships requires a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled trial.
Processed sugar or all sugar including in fruit?
Getting rid of processed sugar is a great start
There’s a lot of controversy about the other sugars, but I’m in the keto camp, so I would say anything that elevates your blood glucose should be avoided. So that would include sugar in fruit
Piercing headaches sounds more like Covid.
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Some people get them from common colds. Just be happy you do not.
If it makes you feel any better, your microscopic attacker is not having a very good time with your body’s response either. You’re the undefeated champion in this arena so far, keep up the winning streak.
I don’t know about who is the champion. The virus eventually fails to multiply in the host, but it meanwhile spreads to others.
How about we consider everyone a champion?
Trophies all around!
This woke-ass participation trophy shit is ruining my flu season!
Dude, you are in a million years battle with other organisms trying to exploit and kill you, and you’re fucking winning. I would call that a blazing success. The other organisms are trying their literal best, their survival depends on it, and you just KEEP. ON. WINNING.
These organisms are doing their best, okay? They’re just too smol.
Some might even call this million years battle a cold war
God dammit.
Russia and US typing in the chat…
15 proxy states typing
The funny thing is, thanks to fever, this “cold war” is both literally and figuratively a hot war.
deep sigh
Okay, here’s your upvote. Now leave.
Actually, please don’t. It’s Lemmy and we need all the users we can get
I’m not using Lemmy. Do I have to leave?
No, it’s actually the opposite. Piefed users are required to stay forever. It’s in your terms of service.
Your immune system and the virus are at war, the symptoms are collateral damage.
Pump ur body with vitamins and lean protein it gives ur body all the components it needs to fight as effectively as possible. U will be on the mend in less than a day. Or maybe I’m just weird. Counter intuitively if its covid nicotine in a form that won’t irritate ur throat actually inhibits its ability to attach ur body as effectively.
Every study I’ve seen says that vitamins make not difference in the majority of cases. Low vitamin levels can have cold like symptoms, and in that case vitamins will fix the problem.
OP is definitely hilariously exaggerating it, but it certainly can’t hurt to make sure your body has all the nutrients it needs, and placebo shouldn’t be discounted.
In my experience and from my good but not professional knowledge, the most objectively beneficial thing is just to stay well hydrated and eat something. You need that to feel good even if you’re not sick, and when you’re fighting an infection your body is going to be diverting energy to things like fever rather than the stomach, so easy to digest is very important.
And what’s something that has lots of vitamins and minerals and easy to digest calories while also being filled with water? Fruit! (noodles are also a good option, easy to digest plus there’s broth so you get more water)
Then add on the fact that e.g. citrus just viscerally feels fresh and like it should help with illness, and you have a very convincing reason to get a bag of mandarins to snack on while you’re sick.It won’t cure a cold overnight, but it might well bring enough relief that it’s not a full week of wanting to die, and if it has absolutely no effect then oh no you ate a bunch of healthy stuff how terrible.
There is a difference between vitamins and food. Food has nutrition: not just vitamins but calories, fiber, and such. Vitamins mostly make your pee expensive as your body has to work to get rid of the excess to keep the right balance.
sometimes vitamins are needed - see your doctor for advice not internet comments. without medical advice vitamens are wasting money
you seem to be talking about supplements, not vitamins. Fruit is decidedly not expensive unless you live on the mcmurdo antarctic research station.
People talking about vitamins universially mean suppliments. Whole foods are better, but people talk about eating healty then (also meaningless but potentially better)
I do the same. Whenever I’m ill, I eat a lot of canned fish (no cooking required, and it’s not nice cooking in a horrible headache).
I tend to get well very soon even if the illness has felt very bad. And sometimes when I don’t do the same, for whatever reason, I remain ill much longer.
Dunno why you’re getting downvoted, I’ve seen the nicotine/covid studies too. Take my upvote
It’s for the first half. There’s no objective evidence this approach works. The OP may also recover from colds quickly without the vitamin / protein intervention, may judge symptoms differently, or may not accurately track results (e.g. dismiss cases where the opposite was true).
The common cold is a family of coronaviruses, our bodies have been fighting off their mutations for millennia. An mRNA vaccines for colds, if I remember correctly, was in the works, but, well, we’ve all seen what’s happening there
Its more often rhinoviruses rather than coronaviruses or other families
I disagree, there’s no way a rhino could fit in there
Everything’s a dildo if you’re brave enough!
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So does that mean a long time ago people were dying of the cold in droves?
No. But covid-19 belongs to the same group of viruses that also includes the common cold.
Certainly possible, if not likely, that when these viruses first evolved to infect humans or human ancestors they caused increased mortality. Common coronaviruses and rhinoviruses still kill a lot of people, they’re often associated with pneumonia
See the natives of America after Europeans showed up.
Some of those symptoms are caused by the virus as part of its strategy for spreading. They make you likely to leak infectious fluid from your nose and mouth. Meanwhile your body has to learn how to recognize a virus that has evolved to be hard to recognize (and do that without also accidentally “recognizing” some of your own cells and killing you) and then track down every last virus. And there can be billions of viruses, many of which are hiding inside your own cells.
You’d spoil about as fast as food left out of the fridge (but due to bacteria and fungi, not viruses) if not for the constant battle your immune system fights.
The Nyquil that helps you sleep is a Godsend when I feel like this.
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You know symptoms is the tangible evidence of your body fighting the fucker? I’m no scientist but I remember hearing that apparently a raised body temp is one method of killing the cunt that’s trying to attack you.
The immune system is fucking incredible, you should read up on it and then you’ll never make a post like this again!
There was a cartoon on it too, no?
I was about to say this too. It does a pretty fucking incredible job at fighting colds.
Wait. Was this a troll post, and I just ate it up?
Blows my mind that the solution for so many things is just ‘try not to make it worse while your body does magic’ Broken bone? Stop moving it and wait. Cold? Drink water, sleep, and wait. Cut? Cover it up so it’s not actively bleeding, and wait. Even in modern medicine were still letting the body do the heavy lifting, just trying to help it out where we can. No wonder diet and exercise are such good preventative measures
You’re only seeing the colds that made it through the defenses, without having any means of measuring the ones your immune system successfully blocked or kicked out before they could take hold.
So your statistics are flawed.
And even then most of the ones that made it through/past the immune system are still eventually fought off again by the immune system. I.e. you don’t have to take an external antibiotic for every cold.
All of them aren’t. Just the ones that did not attend to their general healththroughout their lives by abuses, or were born immunocompromised.
